xKiv
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1/2/2014
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As far as I can tell, recertifying armfuls and double-armfuls both have expected value of +1 scrap per action, which isn't much ...
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lady ciel
Posts: 2548
1/2/2014
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If you have someone to invite from the surface try the Dangerous option at your lodgings - you get 1 scrap if you are lucky but you don't have to wait for cards and get some surface currency either way.
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OPG
Posts: 387
1/2/2014
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The option Ciel (as well as a few others) mentioned is actually quite profitable. A success grants you 1.35E + 1 Scrap and a failure gets you .6E of Surface Currency and no scraps. The challenge is luck-based (pretty good odds), so more often than not you're turning a profit. As an experimental grind, I wound up with 21.45 echoes of SC after 18 actions. I don't remember the total of scraps I collected, but I'd say it's worth it for the cash alone.
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Trenloco
Posts: 59
1/2/2014
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You can move to the K&C lodging via a 7-win streak while playing on the moon league. Opp card appears at 3 streak
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Inky Petrel
Posts: 370
1/3/2014
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I didn't know the dangerous invite potentially gave scraps, thanks! 
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/12/2015
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I'm necroing this to say that I have tried the Dangerous option suggested by several in this thread (invite a friend from the surface), and have gotten a "success" message three times, but only 25 surface currency with each success, no scraps. And I presume the "Lodgings Card" mentioned earlier is obsolete, or anyway I have no idea what it is. I have suffered a long run of bad luck with the Relickers, and basically have no Scraps at all, so it would be nice to know what options currently yield them.
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Docteur
Posts: 101
11/12/2015
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The "Lodgings Cards" are the cards you get when you own a lodging, simply! The more lodgings (keys) you have, the more of these cards you draw. Every card has an action that can grant you scrap.
Only doing this, with a lot of time, I've reached 1500 scraps as to now.
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colinsapherson
Posts: 191
11/12/2015
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The Dangerous option (plus all Opportunity card options that formerly gave out scraps) have all been changed to not give scraps. This was because of widespread spamming of fake emails and MPs' public emails. Scraps can only reliably be got now through the Opportunity cards from each of the lodgings (almost all of which are 'The X Tower'), plus one or two other cards like Call in Favours in the Flit, which uniquely is a card not a pinned storylet.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/12/2015
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Ah, so! Then I can stop spamming my brother to join FL. (although a few Surface Currency come in handy)
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lady ciel
Posts: 2548
11/12/2015
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A Sulky Bat is useful. The card gives either 3 scraps or connected Great Game and there is a rare success where you get a Bat with Attitude, they have no use yet but they can be sold at the Bazaar for 12.5 echoes.
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ciel
Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things.
No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/12/2015
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People actually spammed their MP to join Fallen London? Oh, that would have been so much fun to do with some of the clowns we have infesting the U.S. Congress. Then again, it would be horrid if one of them accepted...
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Blaine Davidson
Posts: 388
11/13/2015
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Upon realizing I couldn't reach 500 Spirit of Hallowmas I opted to bury as many confessions as I could. You get two pieces of scrap per confession so by the end I received a few hundred.
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malthaussen
Posts: 1060
11/13/2015
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As a non-POSI, Miss Davidson, I didn't have many confessions to begin with, and I have been having terrible luck with the junkmen, so those I did acquire melted away.
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Gemma Hawley
Posts: 55
11/13/2015
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It is my strong recommendation to those who hope to eventually gain the top-tier Relicker items, don't choose the gambling options at all. If you get on a bad luck streak, it can wipe out months of effort in fairly short order, since even with all the Lodgings cards, scraps trickle in pretty slowly. Instead, slow and steady accumulation seems to pay off better in the long run.
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Guy Scrum
Posts: 197
11/13/2015
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Gemma Hawley wrote:
It is my strong recommendation to those who hope to eventually gain the top-tier Relicker items, don't choose the gambling options at all. If you get on a bad luck streak, it can wipe out months of effort in fairly short order, since even with all the Lodgings cards, scraps trickle in pretty slowly. Instead, slow and steady accumulation seems to pay off better in the long run.
I respectfully disagree. Recertifying a double armful of scraps will yield 20 on success and lose 18 on failure, and it appears to be a 50% chance of success. In the long run, it'll average out to one scrap per card. You just have to make sure to take pleasure in your lucky streaks instead of dwelling on the unlucky ones.
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Sara Hysaro
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Posts: 4514
11/13/2015
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You'll definitely earn in the long run, but I personally don't find 1 scrap per card worth putting up with the RNG. Min-max players seem to avoid the 1 scrap options altogether, so that group probably wouldn't be gambling much with the relickers either. If you are going to think of the long term, however, I strongly recommend you put off recertifying until you have a good enough supply that an unlucky streak won't blow through it entirely.
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
11/13/2015
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I would recommend avoiding the recertifying options entirely if you don't have enough scraps to continue recertifying after a couple unlucky tries. I have a bit over 2000 scrap so I'm in no danger of running out, but losing a few times in a row often means the inability to play the options any more.
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Guest
11/13/2015
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Wow, this thread's been resurrected more than the show "Family Guy!" Moving on....
About the topic at hand, I've seen the relicer cards recertification about 51/49% win/loss, but it really is not profitable in the early stages if you lose too much to be able to continue. it's likely not even a good idea until you have scraps at nearly a 4-digit level for cushion purposes. Eventually you should get ahead, but as noted, it's a slim margin.
The better option is to draw in the Flit for "Call In Favours in the Flit," and Cash in Urchins when at 15+. If doing this for a monentary or item value instead, then the Revolutionaries at 15+ 720 Proscribed Materials is technically better, but getting 20 scraps and an up to 215 value Oddities draw is just too great (for Urchins) to pass up. 900 Pearls at the cost of 3 Favours Criminals is just not worth the difficulty restoring that and the other two Flit options are so much better.
While I'll leave others to debate whether getting 1 scrap a turn on the lesser residences is worth it (they do add up however,) there's absolutely no question that the 4/5 card residences' card scrap options are worth it, (However, due to a few of them having costs/penalties on a failure, make sure you have second chances for them if you have a low attribute heck.)
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StarryWisdom
Posts: 35
12/16/2015
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My luck with the Relickers is more like 10%, not 50%. So accordingly I've given up on them.
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Kaigen
Posts: 530
12/16/2015
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On the plus side, if you can't stand the randomness of recertifying, you know ahead of time to not even mess with the Fidgeting Writer.
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