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Emain Ablach
Posts: 348
12/17/2012
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Passionario wrote:
Lady Red wrote:
The prevailing consensus on this forum appears to be that Failbetter's statements about Seeking the Name are nothing but reverse psychology. That all those dire warnings about inevitable frustration and depression are simple flavor text aimed at making a video game grind more cool and edgy. That it's all a secret test of character and you'll get an awesome secret ending for your perseverance. And if that view is correct, then having Seekers actively cooperate and trust each other is only to be expected.
I am here to challenge this assumption. I believe that, when Alexis tell us that SMEN is meant to be unfair and cruel and utterly unlike the rest of Fallen London, we should take those words at face value. And this means that the surrounding metagame should have less goodwill and cooperation and more mistrust and paranoia.
I agree with you. Most people think it's reverse psychology. I never thought so. I'm convinced it will end badly. But the storyline, the journey, remains extremely interesting, both in a narrative and psychological way. 
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Spacemarine9
Posts: 2234
12/17/2012
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Alexis Kennedy wrote:
We did warn you about four times, but it also was unfair to keep saying 'if you don't like it, get off' without providing the means. As of last week, there are three more ways out, and there'll be a fourth soon. Hint: start drawing op cards again.
Given the discussion kinda got hijacked w/ the whole betrayal betrayal thing, I kinda want to ask 'bout this. Are they new cards or branches on existing ones? And am I going to slip up and click one by accident because that'd be awful
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Lady Red
Posts: 517
12/17/2012
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There is a new option on each of the 'can't discard' SMEN cards - at the bottom. So you do have to take a tiny bit of care not to just autoclick!
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Spacemarine9
Posts: 2234
12/17/2012
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oh well i've just been taking the option that increases reputation: abomination
it's not like i HAVE any FRIENDS any more
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Zyxx
Posts: 45
12/17/2012
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I think of it as a quest with lore rewards. Perhaps I'm thinking about it all wrong, but it's what keeps me going on with it, since Fallen London's appeal (for me) is primarily setting and lore.
re: betrayal betrayal, yes, I feel like a fool for going for it, caveat emptor, all that stuff. I don't have any excuse other than /really/ wanting to make progress here.
Really, the primary thing I'm upset about is how much time and luck and (in some cases) Fate it takes to regain these resources. I already ground through the Affair of the Box a second time and it got incredibly boring halfway through the first time.
I just personally put a lot of emphasis on honesty. I certainly get the argument that the meta-game could/should be full of betrayal and paranoia, and I can't argue that there's not certain brilliance in that, but I feel like there's sort of a line of decency, you know? I don't want to waste another player's time, resources or money (in the form of Fate costs) even when it gives me a benefit, let alone when all it really does is impede their progress and earns me nothing but a laugh.
I don't want to blow this up bigger than it is - I fell for an obvious trick, that's on me and I admit it - but please, to anyone else considering such a thing: don't do it. It brings in-game unpleasantness to a real world that doesn't need any more, even in a trivial "first-world-problems" sort of way.
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MidnightVoyager
Posts: 858
12/17/2012
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Alexis Kennedy wrote:
We did warn you about four times, but it also was unfair to keep saying 'if you don't like it, get off' without providing the means. As of last week, there are three more ways out, and there'll be a fourth soon. Hint: start drawing op cards again.
EDIT: as of this week, actually! because the branches were still hidden until just now. My mistake.
edited by Alexis on 12/17/2012
Aha! I do appreciate this greatly, thank you!
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Passionario
Posts: 777
12/17/2012
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Alexis Kennedy wrote:
We did warn you about four times, but it also was unfair to keep saying 'if you don't like it, get off' without providing the means. As of last week, there are three more ways out, and there'll be a fourth soon. Hint: start drawing op cards again.
Edit: OK, this is weird. I've taken one of those options (the one on 'Restitutions' card). I lost my 'seeking Mr. Eaten's Name' and 'Unaccoutably Peckish' qualities.
However, I'm still Marsh-Mired to the bone, all my Stains, Scars and Chains are intact, and I did not become Free of the Name.
Is that intentional? Or have I stumbled across an unfortunate bug?
edited by Passionario on 12/17/2012
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Spacemarine9
Posts: 2234
12/17/2012
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alert wuss detected
i'm just going to sit here with my two candles and stare at them
EDIT: um well i kinda doubt your scars, stains and chains are just going to evaporate because you decided to stop doing something. there's a way to get rid of scars, that much i know. Maybe you've gone so far into the quest that you can never really be free?
I mean maybe you could start the quest again and bail out on the early options to get absolutely free. I dunno.
edited by Spacemarine9 on 12/17/2012
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MidnightVoyager
Posts: 858
12/17/2012
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Passionario wrote:
Alexis Kennedy wrote:
We did warn you about four times, but it also was unfair to keep saying 'if you don't like it, get off' without providing the means. As of last week, there are three more ways out, and there'll be a fourth soon. Hint: start drawing op cards again.
Edit: OK, this is weird. I've taken one of those options (the one on 'Restitutions' card). I lost my 'seeking Mr. Eaten's Name' and 'Unaccoutably Peckish' qualities.
However, I'm still Marsh-Mired to the bone, all my Stains, Scars and Chains are intact, and I did not become Free of the Name.
Is that intentional? Or have I stumbled across an unfortunate bug?
edited by Passionario on 12/17/2012
I'd imagine the Marsh-Mired would go away, otherwise I think you'd keep getting those cards as they are the requirement. Not the other stuff, though.
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Emain Ablach
Posts: 348
12/17/2012
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Healing your soul and mind ? What about some words with the Royal Bethlehem Hotel and Hell ? isn't it their areas of expertise ? 
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Hm... this candle, that's a problem... none of the choices are satisfying for me. :/
edited by Emain Ablach on 12/18/2012
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
Posts: 1372
12/18/2012
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So I have St Beau's Candle and I was super-impressed with the content leading up to it. I loved the ambiguity, the use of timing--there's a 10-turn luck-based option that really gave me a feeling of pensive melancholy, waiting for my turns to refresh to see both results--and even the serious pause about whether to continue the writing gave me, and I'd been pretty sure I'd keep going no matter what because (1) it's a character and if it gets wrecked, well, then I'll start a new one and see all the changes to early content, and (2) as I said a long, long time ago when I first started this, if the Bazaar doesn't want me pursuing the Name, it should give me more things to do. Well done.
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Asclepius Unbound
Posts: 389
12/18/2012
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St Beau's Candle is mine. Twitching in reaction now, detailed response later.
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MidnightVoyager
Posts: 858
12/19/2012
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Passionario wrote:
Alexis Kennedy wrote:
We did warn you about four times, but it also was unfair to keep saying 'if you don't like it, get off' without providing the means. As of last week, there are three more ways out, and there'll be a fourth soon. Hint: start drawing op cards again.
Edit: OK, this is weird. I've taken one of those options (the one on 'Restitutions' card). I lost my 'seeking Mr. Eaten's Name' and 'Unaccoutably Peckish' qualities.
However, I'm still Marsh-Mired to the bone, all my Stains, Scars and Chains are intact, and I did not become Free of the Name.
Is that intentional? Or have I stumbled across an unfortunate bug?
edited by Passionario on 12/17/2012
I'll note that it took away Marsh-Mired for me as well as Seeking and Peckish. I can still get into Seeking again and then escape to become Free of the Name if I like. Are you sure you're still Marsh-Mired?
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Ray D. Noper
Posts: 22
12/26/2012
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I'm sorru, if this is already asked before... But the curiosity and need for knowledge about the Name - which, as some of my friends keep telling me is Bob - haunt me every day and night.. Is it impossible for me to stain my soul if I have... as you can say, misplaced it... into the hands of A Devil ?
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Sara Hysaro
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Posts: 4514
12/26/2012
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Alar Floren wrote:
I'm sorru, if this is already asked before... But the curiosity and need for knowledge about the Name - which, as some of my friends keep telling me is Bob - haunt me every day and night.. Is it impossible for me to stain my soul if I have... as you can say, misplaced it... into the hands of A Devil ?
Yes, I'm fairly certain that you need to recover your soul in order to stain it.
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Casidy
Posts: 15
12/26/2012
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Wow. I've just reached the current content boundary for the Seeking storyline, and it absolutely blew my mind. I felt a genuine sense of loss and hollowness at the last sacrifice, and the Lady of the Well is the most intriguing Fallen London character I've met so far. Thanks Alexis and co for creating such an absorbing, compelling story.
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Saharan
Posts: 247
1/4/2013
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The Name! The Name! He who is bound in a robe the colour of zee-salt and red fox-fur trim has spoken to me of the Name! He has spoken, and I have listened. How could I have been so blind as to what the Name actually was? It has been staring at me all along the path! Every step I took, it was there, taunting me, the very path I trod blinding me to its presence.
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Zyxx
Posts: 45
1/4/2013
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Saharan wrote:
The Name! The Name! He who is bound in a robe the colour of zee-salt and red fox-fur trim has spoken to me of the Name! He has spoken, and I have listened. How could I have been so blind as to what the Name actually was? It has been staring at me all along the path! Every step I took, it was there, taunting me, the very path I trod blinding me to its presence.
And yet that was merely what the Name WAS. Perhaps our quest now is to learn what it IS?
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Asclepius Unbound
Posts: 389
1/6/2013
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Shall we play at Heart's Hazard again?
Everyone loses that game, in time.
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Anstruther Barron
Posts: 92
1/7/2013
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Has anyone who has only got SMEN 8 recently started becoming marsh mired?
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