What to Sell? How to Grind to Get 5-Card Lodging?

basically don’t have a whole lot of idea what I’m doing so stuff piled up. have a pretty big inventory, figure I can maybe sell some but before I sell something I might need I figured I’d ask what I would need.

Like, do I really need Contraband Items? Diamonds? Coins of the First City?

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Right now I’m trying to get &quotImpossible Theorem&quot, &quotVial of Master’s Blood&quot, and &quotReported Location of a One-Time Prince of Hell&quot to move up to five-card Lodgings.

I’m not doing Searching for Mr Eaten’s Name, as I think it really cuts your stats. Of course if it’s actually the smart thing to do, someone tell me please?

Impossible Theorem: I guess I need to get Benthic up? But how do I do that apart from donating stuff to Benthic? If I did donate stuff to Benthic, what’s the cheapest way? Looking for Thieves Caches in the Hidden Quarter and donating?

Vial of Master’s Blood: I’m spamming the Blue Heaven expeditions in the Hidden Quarter. Is there a way to guarantee I get a bottle of Airag? I read somewhere you can check your conditions or something to find out what you’re going to get in advance, and if you don’t like it, you can do something to change the Airs of London, then you’ll get something different. Other than that - am I right in thinking Blue Heaven expeditions are the fastest way to get to Bottles of Airag, which is the fastest way to get to Tears of the Bazaar, which is the fastest way to get to Vial of Master’s Blood? (I’m also an Author profession so I get Cellars of Wine (slowly) that I can trade in; I heard Correspondent doesn’t get as good weekly payouts for what I’m doing). (Trading Airag-Tears-Vial with the Sommelier)

Reported Location of a One-Time Prince of Hell: Trade in 3200 Scrap? Is there any way to get scrap faster? I have a bat pet, and I have every lodging apart from perhaps hidden ones (?) and five-card upgrades. Or is there a faster way to get Reported Location of a One-Time Prince of Hell?

Also, what’s the cheapest way to get supplies for the Forgotten Quarter expeditions? If I get Renown: Docks to 7, can I really just pay some Rostygold and keep getting supplies that way? Pretty cheap (never mind the 50 to 150 pounds I’ll have to spend on items to boost Renown: Docks) - I ran out of Whispered Hints and am running low on Appalling Secrets, and I don’t think paying pennies on an ongoing basis is the way to go?
edited by aardvarkpepper on 3/21/2017

As a Seeker on my alt, Seeking is very much NOT the smart thing to do. Don’t do it. It will not help you get what you want, especially since later on Seekers have to get rid of basically all their worldly possessions and money.

Have you completed the Cave of the Nadir storyline? You can get either the Location of the Prince or the Master’s blood if you sell the location of the Cave of the Nadir. (Great Game gets you the one-time prince location, Revolutionaries the vial of master’s blood). But you can only do this once, it changes your Closest To, and if you’ve already done it, you’re out of luck.

I can’t add too much to laskaris’s already excellent advice, but I will point out that Dock favors are definitely the way to go for expedition supplies. Last week’s questions thread had a long discussion on expeditions and the relative merits of the options; I suggest it highly if you’re interested in digging in seriously. (Also, if you want to go all-in on the expeditions, I recommend picking up the mynah as your connected pet.)

You cannot change the results of your expedition, but you can find out what it is before making a choice about donations; see the wiki article for details.

Finally, if you’re not in a terrible hurry, far cheaper options for upgrading to 5-card lodgings come around at Christmastime. I realize that this is nine months away, and perhaps that’s too long for you to wait, but it is good to know your options.

As far as selling things goes: Sell what you want. Sometimes it’s nice to keep stuff around in case you need it later, but it’s usually pretty easy to grind them when you need them. Diamonds aren’t very useful, you can sell them. The first city coins are used in Ambition: Heart’s Desire. If you don’t want them, you can send them to someone else and make their life easier, or you can sell them.
Impossible Theorem: There are some storylets in the university that let you grind University connections (a colleague with a problem). You can also use the university endowment, but grinding Abominable salts is kind of annoying. I would definitely not donate expedition rewards.
Master’s Blood: As laskaris said, you can get it from selling the location of the Nadir to the Revolutinaries if you haven’t sold it yet. Otherwise, you will have to grind airag and convert it to tears, then to blood with cards. I think it would probably faster to grind airag by grinding and trading cellars of wine than by doing expeditions because it’s less random.
Reported location: Laskaris again is right; you can get it by selling the Nadir to the great game. Otherwise, you just have to grind scraps. There isn’t a great way to do this, as far as I’m aware. It takes time. the other option is to go through with most of Ambition: Heart’s Desire, and you can get one for relatively cheap. This will make it hard to progress the story further, though, because you can only play the option once.
Supplies: No, you can’t get unlimited supplies through the docks once you hit renown 7, unless you want to pay fate repeatedly. You can grind whispered hints at an okay rate through “seeking curios and secrets in the forgotten quarter”, although this does tend to give a lot of nightmares. That’s usually what I use if I really need to do an expedition.

For the Impossible Theorem, you just need a bunch of Searing Enigmas and a lot of luck. To make Searing Enigmas at the University, you do need Connected: Benthic, but you can get that by doing normal stuff at the University, like helping a colleague get her dull paper about bats published.

[quote=aardvarkpepper]basically don’t have a whole lot of idea what I’m doing so stuff piled up. have a pretty big inventory, figure I can maybe sell some but before I sell something I might need I figured I’d ask what I would need.
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This ended up being far longer than I expected, so under a spoiler tag it goes.

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[ul][li]Don’t sell anything until you’re ready to buy whatever items with the profits. When you are ready to sell, don’t sell anything you aren’t sure you can get back fairly simply.[/li]
[li]As Siankan says, if you aren’t in a hurry, you would be far far far better off waiting for Christmas to get the five-card lodgings. The Bazaar upgrade costs 9 Putting the Pieces Together: the Taste of Lacre and 3 Notability, while the Royal Beth costs 7 PtPT: ToL and 3 Notability. The Brass Embassy upgrade costs 8 PtPT: ToL and 3 Notability but also requires that you be soulless. No monetary costs whatsoever, unless you need to purchase extra lacre of course.[/li]
[li]SMEN is a terrible idea outside of one edge case - if you really want to get rid of extraneous lodgings (ie to trim your opp. deck), it’s the only way to ditch them. Of course, this is SMEN, so you have to get rid of EVERY lodging you own at once. Including five-card upgrades and remote addresses…[/li]
[li]As mentioned, you can do things in the University to raise C: Benthic. You can also use the Endowment of a University Fellowship, but that’s only available from the Bazaar for a hefty price and it consumes quite a lot of Abominable Salts. (It also only works up to level 20.) Also as mentioned, for the Theorem you’ll need lots of Enigmas - plenty of sources for those, iirc the Fidgeting Writer* is better - then high Watchful and lots of Sudden Insights to not fail the challenge.[/li]
[li]If you weren’t aware, you can actually use Second Chances to fail most challenges without punishment! Just use the Second Chances on the challenge and hit &quotPerhaps not&quot instead of trying again, then rinse and repeat until you succeed. Of course, the amount of Second Chances consumed for that specific challenge will double each time you back out, until you fail or succeed, which will reset the Second Chances back to one per attempt.[/li]
[li]For the Vial of MB, Blue Heaven expeditions make a reasonable supplement, but you’re unlikely to have much success using that as your primary method. It’s only a 22.2% chance of getting Airag from Blue Heaven expeditions, even if you ignore the chance of getting an Eyeless Skull instead of getting an Unpredictable Treasure at all. The other rewards are decently profitable, especially if you can manage to 100% the buccaneering approach option. (If you can’t at least 100% the bold approach option it’s probably not worth bothering with expeditions at all.) Author payments are also good when going for MB, though Correspondents get more sheer echo value when you’re not looking for specific items from payments.[/li]
[li]I’m pretty sure the best way to grind Wines directly is the Affair of the Box in Spite, assuming you have good Shadowy, as Boxfuls of Intrigue can be cashed in for Strangling Willow and upconverted from there. There’s also the Velocipede Squad, which needs Dangerous instead, and you can cash in for Broken Giant. With high enough stats for 100% on challenges, the Affair of the Box is very slightly faster at grinding wine, plus it also gives a trickle of Correspondence Plaques if you’re willing to side with the Revolutionaries. However the Velocipede Squad has slightly easier stat challenges. If you can’t get 100% success rates for either of them, you’re likely best off using whichever method gives you higher chances.[/li]
[li]There are a few other possible sources of scraps besides Lodgings and a Sulky Bat. You can cash in Urchins Favours three at a time on a card in the Flit for 25 scraps each time. You can have the Relickers recertify your scraps - 10 at a time is least risky but is airs-dependent for certain Relickers, 20 is second-best, and you’ll only gain one scrap per action on average in the long run. There’s also some Fate-locked sources of scraps - one ending of A Trade in Faces and one ending of The Blemmigan Affair unlock options on certain cards that give 1-4 scraps, plus things. There is also one hidden lodgings, of a sort - the Half-Abandoned Mansion was available through Knife & Candle and may be again someday. (Its card did have an option for scraps, though it was by far the worse of the two.)[/li]
[li]The only way I know of to get a Reported Location outside scrap and selling the location of the Nadir is a one-time option, late in the Heart’s Desire ambition, which lets you get one for a couple hundred echoes of materials. Doing that would require Fate to reset your ambition (unless you have HD in which case you’d need the Location to continue) plus grinding through the entire ambition up to that point, aka far too much time and effort.[/li]
[li]Of course, amassing all the lodgings to get scraps for a five-card lodgings is almost counterproductive. Most lodgings have fairly useless cards, so getting them to hasten getting a five-card lodging means that extra card slot will be occupied by some card with a useless option to gain a single scrap. Hence why people might want to go Seeking the Name just to ditch their lodgings. I did that myself in fact, though I tragically lost my Half-Abandoned Mansion to do so.[/li]
[li]As others have said, the best way to get supplies for Expeditions is Docks Favours, which you can get from the Docks faction card, the Taciturn Mynah’s card (the faction pet), and the Mayor’s card among places. The Whispered Hints supply option is the other good one as it averages 1.5 Supplies for 2 Echoes; you can exchange Rostygold, Jade, or Amber with the Tiger Keeper for more Hints.[/li][/ul][/spoiler]

And in addition:

Go each week to the cave of the Nadir.

  • One of the opportunity cards there can give you either a Searing Enigma or a bottle of Airag for the cheap cost of 3 second chances.[/li][li]Another card there can give an Enigma for &quotfree&quot but with a very difficult Persuasive challenge (you can use second chances to &quotperhaps not&quot out of it and try again later with no Irrigo cost).

[quote=dov]Go each week to the cave of the Nadir.

  • One of the opportunity cards there can give you either a Searing Enigma or a bottle of Airag for the cheap cost of 3 second chances.[/li][li]Another card there can give an Enigma for &quotfree&quot but with a very difficult Persuasive challenge (you can use second chances to &quotperhaps not&quot out of it and try again later with no Irrigo cost).

More excellent advice. I will point out, however, that 1) the Nadir is a long process, if you haven’t already gotten access, and 2) the whole thing operates off of undiscardable opportunity cards and will kick you out in a short period (if you’re reckless enough not to get out under your own power first). This means that the Nadir is deeply unpredictable; you may pull the right card three times in a visit, or you might go months without seeing one. If you have Nadir access, by all means use it; just go in aware that the fruits of the Nadir are a bonus, not something to build your strategy around.

Five-card lodgings logically help make the Nadir more consistent, for some nice irony.

And whoops, just noticed that I forgot to actually write a footnote for that asterisk I put in about how to best get Enigmas from the Fidgeting Writer grind. I’ll write something for that tomorrow, if somebody else hasn’t explained it already.
edited by Optimatum on 3/21/2017

Nice, I’ll have to switch some stuff up.
Time to trade in my Mole for a Mynah!

I’m pretty sure getting Searing Enigmas through the Fidgeting Writer is the best method; I’m very sure that it’s better than the University method, as that’s horribly inefficient. The Tales of Terror!! necessary to start can be stolen through Thefts of a Particular Character in the Flit. (Casing is best gained using the Gang of Hoodlums option, if you have enough Shadowy for 100% success, but otherwise the PoSI option is easier as there’s no stat challenge.) The wiki page lists all the other items needed and where you can find them. You’ll want to cash out on the Lens of Black Glass step for Enigmas.