Thanks for the response guv but you see I tend to acrue these uses of useful gentlepersons due to my work, you know having a whisper in someone’s ear with a hammer if they don’t get the message or relieving someone of something they don’t want anymore like kneecaps. I’ve got loads of em knocking about I got no use for. I’ll hang on to them for now though as you never know they may come in handy one day.