THE TRUTH ABOUT FEDUCCI

Fallen London
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There’s a Mayoral card for the year: hapless idiots in Wolfstack keep impaling themselves on Feducci’s sword/hat-stand/pointy-'eaded-stick.

You get a Tomb Colonist favour from all the bandaged coming by to laugh at how stupid that death was.
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A few things…

  • How can you actually destroy honey? (Serious question.) Given the more unusual properties of Prisoner’s Honey I doubt there are many safe ways.[/li][li]In politics, willingness to compromise on less important goals to accomplish something is a good trait. Insisting on idealogical purity and no compromise is often a great way to get none of what you want.[/li][li]Iirc her only association with Revolutionaries was being friends with the now-dead March, who - outside the very few in the know - presented as a typical upper-class person. In fact, if you tell the DTC at Hallowmas that he was murdered by the Calendar Council, she vows to begin a campaign against the Council. That doesn’t sound like Revolutionary support to me.

[li]
…I’m sorry, are you implying Prisoner’s Honey is somehow indestructible by conventional means? Burn it (I’m positive this was actually referenced along with burning vellum when tracking down last season’s exceptional story). Dump it in the sea (it’s not like the marine life isn’t already affected by worse influence). Throw it in a big hole where nothing can touch it, rather than stockpiling it.

The issue for me here is that the Temperance Campaigner tries to have her cake and eat it-by insisting on a position of ideological high ground, while being just as dirty as the other two. By the same token, I could make the appeal that Feducci’s vagueries leave a lot of wriggle room for when he takes office. Speaking of which-I just found out what the Renown 40 item for the Constables is: A pair of boots worn by a bastard who kicked people into Death’s river. And given their policy of silence, and that the Implacable Detective is associated with them, damn her and damn her campaign.

It’s easy to vow a lot of things when you’re confronted with an untenable position; granted, the same could be said for Feducci too so I’ll have to concede on that point. Though I remember she also commented in a way that made it seem like she blamed Wines instead. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for how she responds to the Revolutionaries’ overture, but combining a willingness to compromise and an ostensible appeal to conservative morality doesn’t inspire confidence in me.

Still somewhat better than the Detective in light of what I’ve learned, though.

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To be fair, the Campaigner isn’t the one playing dirty. Some of us on the campaign have taken on that burden so the lady can keep her hands clean.

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[li]
If that’s an incentive to vote against her on general principle, it’s succeeding magnificently.

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I’d say it’s preferable to have someone who at least tries to keep things clean than someone who revels in the corruption and barbarity of bloodsport. Our vision is of a London where folks like us aren’t needed, rather than one where we thrive.

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I’d say it’s preferable to have someone who at least tries to keep things clean than someone who revels in the corruption and barbarity of bloodsport. Our vision is of a London where folks like us aren’t needed, rather than one where we thrive.[/quote]

[li]
Which would be easier to believe if London weren’t already overrun by examples of that sentiment gone wrong. You could say much the same about the Great Game, the Constables and the Foreign Office-but at the end of the day, nothing changes except that monsters continue to flourish in London.

At least with Feducci’s campaign, the monsters will probably be as shaken up as everyone else.

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And the greatest monsters of all? The Masters? Feducci himself said little, if anything, will be done about them. For a man so willing to fight, I find it odd he isn’t the one who’s most firmly set themselves against them.

Perhaps he’s afraid of a fight he can’t simply pick himself up and walk away from…
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And the greatest monsters of all? The Masters? Feducci himself said little, if anything, will be done about them. For a man so willing to fight, I find it odd he isn’t the one who’s most firmly set themselves against them.
Perhaps he’s afraid of a fight he can’t simply pick himself up and walk away from…
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Oh come on. One? Now you’re just being unrealistic. I don’t see either of the other candidates declaring their 5-step space bat assassination program either when they’re at the root of the corruption and crime in this city.

And two? The Vake is MY quarry.

[li]

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[quote=Hattington]In one corner, we have an allegedly prim and proper society dame who’s secretly stockpiling massive amounts of honey instead of destroying it like the chaste platform she professes to support…

…I judge my candidates a lot by how they operate under crisis, because let’s face it-London is one long, eldritch crisis with some very pretty facades thrown over it… The Temperance Campaigner? Either her or one of her associates freaked out hard when I found the aforementioned documents concerning compromise. Feducci? He’s a damn good sport. [/quote]
Oh dear, there is just so much that is wrong here in terms of basic facts.

The Temperance Campaigner is not stockpiling honey, she is destroying it by dumping it down a well. And no one in the Campaigners campaign freaks out when you burgle her purse - as you depart you hear the Campaigner’s purse traps catching a less successful burglar.

Hell supports the Revolutionaries and the Liberation of the Night. One of the centers of Revolutionary activity in the Neath is the Iron Republic, which is Hell’s client state. In Sunless Sea, Anarchists = the Iron Republic.

This support makes sense of course, as Hell is itself controlled by Infernal Revolutionaries, who took power in a Revolution that Feducci fought for.

Feducci’s campaigner manager is a Devil.

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Perhaps not, but one has already stated he doesn’t believe they’ll be touched.

Then again, we had a candidate who would have taken on the Masters… and that didn’t quite work out.

We’ll have to see about that…

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[quote=Anne Auclair][quote=Hattington]In one corner, we have an allegedly prim and proper society dame who’s secretly stockpiling massive amounts of honey instead of destroying it like the chaste platform she professes to support…

…I judge my candidates a lot by how they operate under crisis, because let’s face it-London is one long, eldritch crisis with some very pretty facades thrown over it… The Temperance Campaigner? Either her or one of her associates freaked out hard when I found the aforementioned documents concerning compromise. Feducci? He’s a damn good sport. [/quote]
Oh dear, there is just so much that is wrong here in terms of basic facts.

The Temperance Campaigner is not stockpiling honey, she is destroying it by dumping it down a well. And no one in the Campaigners campaign freaks out when you burgle her purse - as you depart you hear the Campaigner’s purse traps catching a less successful burglar.

Hell supports the Revolutionaries and the Liberation of the Night. One of the centers of Revolutionary activity in the Neath is the Iron Republic, which is Hell’s client state. In Sunless Sea, Anarchists = the Iron Republic.

This support makes sense of course, as Hell is itself controlled by Infernal Revolutionaries, who took power in a Revolution that Feducci fought for.

Feducci’s campaigner manager is a Devil.[/quote]

[li]
…excuse me, am I blind or do the words &quothas no idea what to do with it all&quot indicate a marked lack of destruction? Unless you’re implying she’s in cahoots with Mr. Eaten (and damning her by…whatever aiding and abetting Mr. Eaten is called, association seems a bit strong), what I’m seeing is putting it somewhere it can be extracted later.

I have my doubts the Iron Republic. Can’t do the linking thing, but trading brandy with the Infernal Sommelier has him point out they never rebelled agains the Judgements SPECIFICALLY. So I’m not convinced the association with the Anarchists isn’t simply a business relationship they’re expecting to not achieve it’s slated goal; yes I’ve witnessed the transaction where Hell was commisioned to smelt a new Law and i’ve also seen the inscription that implies the FIngerkings are allied with Hell to some extent. But what clinches it for me is-Hell ultimately WANTS (the transaction of) souls, in the sense they see value in them. As souls are star-spores, it stands to reason they can’t entirely agree with the forces that would see them as either potential enemies (I’m pretty sure Lost in Reflections has allusions to Parabola rotting lights with reference to souls), or one more link in the Chain to be broken.

Also, I just plain don’t like tea. [/li][li]
[/li][li]EDIT: Actually, I just noticed you yourself put it better than I could have: [color=rgb(0, 0, 0)]&quotOh dear, this could go very well or very badly.&quot[/color][/li][li]
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I’m implying that I’m not sure what methods of destruction are effective against honey in general, not just the Prisoner’s variety. I meant that while I’m sure Prisoner’s Honey is perfectly destructible, the methods of doing so may cause nasty side-effects. And isn’t dumping it all in a well the same thing as &quotthrow it in a big hole where nothing can touch it&quot? (I haven’t actually yet seen the option in-game where this is referenced, just read descriptions of it on here, so if someone could link it that would be great.)

The way I read it, she had blamed Wines for March’s death before learning it was really the work of the Calendar Council. Also, conservative morality? The temperance movement in Britain was apparently involved with women’s suffrage, helping women and children, and preventing animal cruelty. Quite a bit different than the American version.

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[quote=Hattington][[li]…excuse me, am I blind or do the words &quothas no idea what to do with it all&quot indicate a marked lack of destruction? Unless you’re implying she’s in cahoots with Mr. Eaten (and damning her by…whatever aiding and abetting Mr. Eaten is called, association seems a bit strong), what I’m seeing is putting it somewhere it can be extracted later.

I have my doubts the Iron Republic. Can’t do the linking thing, but trading brandy with the Infernal Sommelier has him point out they never rebelled agains the Judgements SPECIFICALLY. So I’m not convinced the association with the Anarchists isn’t simply a business relationship they’re expecting to not achieve it’s slated goal; yes I’ve witnessed the transaction where Hell was commisioned to smelt a new Law and i’ve also seen the inscription that implies the FIngerkings are allied with Hell to some extent. But what clinches it for me is-Hell ultimately WANTS (the transaction of) souls, in the sense they see value in them. As souls are star-spores, it stands to reason they can’t entirely agree with the forces that would see them as either potential enemies (I’m pretty sure Lost in Reflections has allusions to Parabola rotting lights with reference to souls), or one more link in the Chain to be broken.

Also, I just plain don’t like tea.[/li][li]
[/li][li]EDIT: Actually, I just noticed you yourself put it better than I could have: &quotOh dear, this could go very well or very badly.&quot[/li][li]
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The DTC is not &quotstockpiling honey&quot in contradiction of her platform, she is trying to dispose of it. So you simply got that wrong.

As for Hell’s Republic, even if their deals with the Revolutionaries are ultimately insincere, they are still making deals with the Calendar Council, providing them supplies, helping them build weapons, and sponsoring them with a safe haven in which to test out their ideas of a law free world. Hell and Feducci are therefore pretty deep into the Liberation of the Night, way deeper then someone who just happens to have a few casual Revolutionary friends.

Of course most players have a few casual Revolutionary friends…so the DTC’s sin in that regard is no worse then the player with a few a Revolutionary Connected points and no &quotplotting against the Masters.&quot But Feducci is allied with Hell and Hell supports the Liberation…so Feducci probably has a pretty high &quotadvancing Liberation of the Night&quot quality.
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[quote=Anne Auclair][quote=Hattington][[li]…excuse me, am I blind or do the words &quothas no idea what to do with it all&quot indicate a marked lack of destruction? Unless you’re implying she’s in cahoots with Mr. Eaten (and damning her by…whatever aiding and abetting Mr. Eaten is called, association seems a bit strong), what I’m seeing is putting it somewhere it can be extracted later.

I have my doubts the Iron Republic. Can’t do the linking thing, but trading brandy with the Infernal Sommelier has him point out they never rebelled agains the Judgements SPECIFICALLY. So I’m not convinced the association with the Anarchists isn’t simply a business relationship they’re expecting to not achieve it’s slated goal; yes I’ve witnessed the transaction where Hell was commisioned to smelt a new Law and i’ve also seen the inscription that implies the FIngerkings are allied with Hell to some extent. But what clinches it for me is-Hell ultimately WANTS (the transaction of) souls, in the sense they see value in them. As souls are star-spores, it stands to reason they can’t entirely agree with the forces that would see them as either potential enemies (I’m pretty sure Lost in Reflections has allusions to Parabola rotting lights with reference to souls), or one more link in the Chain to be broken.

Also, I just plain don’t like tea.[/li][li]
[/li][li]EDIT: Actually, I just noticed you yourself put it better than I could have: &quotOh dear, this could go very well or very badly.&quot[/li][li]
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[/li]
The DTC is not &quotstockpiling honey&quot in contradiction of her platform, she is trying to dispose of it. So you simply got that wrong.

As for Hell’s Republic, even if their deals with the Revolutionaries are ultimately insincere, they are still making deals with the Calendar Council, providing them supplies, helping them build weapons, and sponsoring them with a safe haven in which to test out their ideas of a law free world. Hell and Feducci are therefore pretty deep into the Liberation of the Night, way deeper then someone who just happens to have a few casual Revolutionary friends.

Of course most players have a few casual Revolutionary friends…so the DTC’s sin in that regard is no worse then the player with a few a Revolutionary Connected points and no &quotplotting against the Masters.&quot But Feducci is allied with Hell and Hell supports the Liberation…so Feducci probably has a pretty high &quotadvancing Liberation of the Night&quot quality.
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[li]
Oh, none of the candidates are spotless-and I’m not blind to my own’s friends’ faults.

I am forced to admit you make some compelling points, but I’ve listed some much more obvious ways someone who truly WANTED that honey disposed, period, instead of hanging around as a bargaining chip, could have done so; I only have your word to go by to analyse her sincere intentions with, and right now her actions are speaking for themselves.

Besides, worst to worst there’s another whose interests I advocate for who would benefit from both a) a quasi-ally in the Presbyterate, b) a more cilmbable chain and c) the brass marvels Hell could provide.

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[quote=&quotAn evening of fiery speeches&quot]

You settle into the front row beside the Affectionate Devil, who favours you with a flashing smile and squeezes your shoulder. The woman at the lectern begins to speak of the wonders of the Iron Republic, the city of anarchists: their freedom from restraint and tradition, their successful overthrow of the laws of nature, the riches and glory to be found in the embrace of freedom… She takes some time to thank the infernal patrons of the Republic for assisting them in &quotshattering the chains of earth and Heaven.&quot

Fascinating stuff, if a little disturbing. In conversation afterwards, you can tell your friend is impressed by how much of the lecture you’ve retained and understood.[/quote]

If even the most indirect of connections to the Liberation of the Night is as bad as you say, to the point that knowing a handful of anarchists is disqualifying, then you should abandon Feducci right now. Because he’s neck deep in it.
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[quote=Optimatum](I haven’t actually yet seen the option in-game where this is referenced, just read descriptions of it on here, so if someone could link it that would be great.)
[/quote]

Here you go, darling.

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I felt like the whole honey-well thing was meant to show that she didn’t completely know what she was doing. The Campaigner has a good heart assuredly, but she’s more idyllic than practical. I strongly disbelieve she’s hoarding it for nefarious purposes; I just think that she’s a little naive, so she poured a drug, which she labels dangerous, down a well, of all things, in a room where people who are determined can pretty easily break in and steal some.

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Thank you kindly.

Yeah, &quothas no idea what to do with it all&quot doesn’t sound at all like she’s trying to keep it &quotas a bargaining chip&quot. Though I do like the idea of purposefully giving it to Mr Eaten. If we feed him enough, could we send him to Parabola to keep the Fingerkings busy? At the very least, his boundless appetite could be an effective way of destroying honey by itself.

The well isn’t actually in that room, just a small cabinet containing the details of her plan. The honey is somewhere hopefully a bit less vulnerable.
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[quote=Optimatum]Thank you kindly.

Yeah, &quothas no idea what to do with it all&quot doesn’t sound at all like she’s trying to keep it &quotas a bargaining chip&quot. Though I do like the idea of purposefully giving it to Mr Eaten. If we feed him enough, could we send him to Parabola to keep the Fingerkings busy? At the very least, his boundless appetite could be an effective way of destroying honey by itself.

The well isn’t actually in that room, just a small cabinet containing the details of her plan. The honey is somewhere hopefully a bit less vulnerable.
edited by Optimatum on 6/30/2017[/quote]

Dreadfully sorry, I misread that. Thanks ^~^

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The problem is that he isn’t risking the same thing as the other duelists. He’s immortal dealing in a game that involves permanent death of the challenger. The only reason the other duels in the game aren’t permanent is because of wacky circumstances in the way of writing, save for the ironically only actual permadeath in the duels.[/quote]
Not fully.

If you challenge Feducci (your choice, BTW) and lose, do you die the permanent death? Are there wacky circumstances saving you? No. He kills you, you go to the boat, and then you come back.

You give it your best shot to try and kill him. He gives it goes best shot to try to kill you. Neither of you die the permanent death. And if you do enough damage to him, he declares you the winner.

I don’t support Feducci in this campaign, but the duels with him are as fair as they can be.

(Also, if you challenge Chi-Lan, you only &quotwin&quot by leading her to a trap, or tricking her, since she’s a much better duelist than you. That’s more dishonest than anything Feducci does in a fight)