Wait, you need to do the preparation phase every time you reset your feasting?[/quote]
Yes, when you spend F&M to raise SMEN the quality resets. Then you have to go through the preparation phase again before you can use the options at the Well.
[quote=Cthonius]I should also mention that Who Is Salt AND the Uttermost East, like so much of Fallen London, don’t need to be viewed as complex riddles. Come at it with a direct approach, what’s it seem like? That’s probably what it is.
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A very good approach, but I was thinking of Fallen London players who would pick the Who is Salt option expecting an answer to that very question (because they haven’t touched Sunless Sea and have no idea who Salt is. I don’t believe it’s mentioned anywhere else in Fallen London.)
If you have absolutely zero context re: Salt, that ending must seem like a complete non-sequitur. Even just the barest, tiniest hint that it’s a judgement spy or a traveller who went East would help.
SMEN spoiler:
The man named Nicator mentions the White when you bring up Salt, which would be an extremely helpful tidbit - except I don’t believe it was officially given that name until Sunless Sea, so… still unhelpful and confusing to a non-zailor
I’ve just finished Seeking (proof on The Remorseless Villainness’s profile) and was wondering if any other Seekers wouldn’t mind sharing in PM the Grieve and Salt options for it? I’m happy to return the favour with Hate, for those who successfully pursued another path!
Billy bones jr has gone North. He is neither spinning nor enduring. Just perpetually
continuing. He is truly regretting his success (or failure).
I am not interested in knowing other endings because I had a sneak peek at them already, but I can share the content I’ve got with other seekers.
Some questions regarding pre-Gate content are still bothering me though:
- What is the creature lurking in the Chapel of Lights? We can even use them as a candle. So they must be important.
- Who is the poor soul accompanying you to the south and to the gate? (the one that says "(and me)") Is that lilac?
- How are we supposed to learn anything about Judgements? I can’t remember any particular reference to them throughout the FL storyline.
- Who are The Twelve metioned multiple times on the winking Isle?
- Who are the false Saints? St Arthur must have been a real jerk. Are those names just made up to be in alphabetical order?
[quote=Billy Bones jr]Billy bones jr has gone North. He is neither spinning nor enduring. Just perpetually
continuing. He is truly regretting his success (or failure).
I am not interested in knowing other endings because I had a sneak peek at them already, but I can share the content I’ve got with other seekers.
Some questions regarding pre-Gate content are still bothering me though:
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Some answers below, all marked spoiler.
- What is the creature lurking in the Chapel of Lights? We can even use them as a candle. So they must be important.
Based on the result if you offer yourself, the creature is the remains of someone else who has been made into a candle. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Spacemarine9?fromEchoId=8903380
The "Gather Intelligence" text at the Chapel in Sunless Sea refers to a "congregation" of people who are "strangely difficult to count" (Obscurity?) so it’s likely you’re not the first one.
- Who is the poor soul accompanying you to the south and to the gate? (the one that says "(and me)") Is that lilac?
IIRC it’s a piece of the person Lilac used to be, left behind in the Nadir.
- Who are The Twelve metioned multiple times on the winking Isle?
The text for one of the preparations refers to "The Twelve gave them up when they took the Courier’s bargain" - the Bazaar is regularly referred to as "Courier", so that makes the Twelve most likely the Masters.
There’s something important about the number, too - there’s text when you get "The Road" destiny that mentions "we are too few!" when you peace out from the trip to the Sun.
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so i got my seventh stain on my soul and now am raising my watchful (until i get 200 with modifier). is it the right think to do or should I focus on something else first ?
[quote=Billy Bones jr]Some questions regarding pre-Gate content are still bothering me though:
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- It’s the executioner, made from the skeleton and internal organs of the last person to be turned into a candle. The Chapel hasn’t sent anyone NORTH before but they do apparently regularly make candle-golems for practice.
- It’s part of who Millicent used to be before she became Lilac, the part of herself she gave up in the Nadir.
- In FL, references to the Judgements are generally vague and cryptic at best. Most of the details on them come from Sunless Sea. They’re the living stars that enforce the laws of reality through light.
- The Twelve are the Masters, including Mr Eaten.
- The False Saints probably weren’t specific people (or, if they were, there’s no reference to that).
You’ll need to do it anyways, so it doesn’t really matter whether you do that or other candles first.
Quick technical question : I am currently grinding Notability for St Destin’s Candle. I already have enough SMEN (and a Calling Card) to go to Winking Isle and spend time fasting and meditating to a foolish end, but not enough to acquire St Destin’s Candle. My question is this : if I raise my Notability to 12 before going to the Isle, can I reasonably hope to gain 5 SMEN before my Notability falls to abysmal levels again ? I am currently at Notability 7 and I have a good carousel of item cycling going for the MW grind.
In other words, should I keep grinding my Notability or should I raise my SMEN first in order to acquire St Destin’s Candle ? Precision : I plan to acquire The Sun Beneath the Sea? as well, while on the Isle.
Unrelated to my question, a humble recommendation to fellow Salt-Seekers :
Sunless Sea does actually provide a good deal of information on who Salt is and what happened to him/her/it, if you follow the Uttermost East ambition. The best sources of information, in my opinion, are, in no particular order :
-Vienna, on the Surface
-Frostfound
-What you have to do to fulfill the ambition (in a way, you must become Salt to truly go East, after all, which means that, to an extent, you experience what he/she/it experienced)
-The three possible endings to the ambition
Of course, there are tidbits here and there as well, but I found those helped me the most getting a decent "bigger picture".
Going NORTH is so pre-SMEN content freeze. Going East is the real deal.
edited by Anvil on 2/21/2018
You can do quite a few cycles at Winking Isle in a week, and it’s only a few actions to go back and forth between cycles. But if you get your Notability up and then spend it on St Destin’s Candle you don’t have to worry about it anymore. Either way is feasible, and it’s up to you.
You can get "The Sun Beneath the Sea?" later, when you have the time.
Gaining 7 SMEN on the Isle usually took me 2-3 days, so you can get 5 points in a few days. The challenges are luck-based, so I can’t give a better estimate. The wiki entry has some action cost estimates in the comments.
(Also, when you obtain Destin, don’t climb the lighthouse.)
edited by incerteza on 2/21/2018
Is it just me or do the last few candles require a lot less effort than the first few? Arthur, Cerise, and Destin were a hell of a grind for me (I failed so many times on a Short Story that in the end I waited until Christmas and sacrificed a Noman instead), but Fort(h)igan, Erzulie, and Gawain were pretty much a snap. I’m now at 70-something SMEN and doing one last round at Winking Isle to get up to 77.
I think that’s intentional, as in the brutal grinds for the first few candles and Winking Isle weed out players who haven’t fully embraced the nature of Seeking, while the last few candles are (and I hesitate to use this word in the context of Seeking at all) rewards for the players who toughed it out. They give a bounty full of lore, and offer great RP opportunities for those interested in such things. Fantastic game design, IMO.
Pay attention if you want to see the Sun on the Surface as it will:
Kill you, make you lose all your Notability and wipes all of your second chances
I have grieved, and asked what is forgotten. Will someone send me the other two endings over a forum PM?
I have another question about Winking Isle. Is it possible to do Preparations several times ? My current plan is to Prepare only to the point where I can do the carousel, earn enough SMEN to get St Destin’s Candle, come back to London and get it, and then go back to the Isle and Prepare again to get The Sun beneath the Sea? (and keep raising SMEN until I reach 77). Is that possible ?
Yes, you can do Preparations multiple times. Unfortunately this means you have to redo it every time your FaM is reset.
I have a strange feeling. Current game industry taught us that nothing is irreversable, but here FailBetter Games really mean it.
Gone NORTH. Still don’t know if it was worth it.
Can someone PM me Grieve and Hate endings please? The only thing I’m sure, that I won’t be ready to do it again not to say twice.
Meliflua_DeCastries has opened the gate, asking "What is Due?".
And it is done. Morgan Adams has knocked on the gate and grieved. The text I got upon entering might just be some of the best I’ve seen in FL so far.
Now, is there a place where I might inquire about the other two endings?
edited by Harvey Hattington on 2/28/2018
Nemesis still unpunished, Aileas Amell has gone North to grieve.
Will appreciate an account of the other two endings.