I’m going out to zee for the day. One day of mobs piling on me was plenty :P
Why would anyone go North? Why would anyone play the Wry Functionary story?
Why even play this election at all? It provides very little mechanical advantage. You could just as well wait it out, spend the time on more profitable echo grinds if you care about value (exchanging election resources isn’t very optimal from an echo value point of view), and benefit from the post-election content as much as anyone else.
As an aside, Fixers actually have the option to turn in Public Attention for Making Waves, which does give a huge mechanical advantage over everyone else and provides a fantastic incentive to not ignore the election content.
“I would like to have a profession offered to be played be as enjoyable or at least equivalent to the other two provided” isn’t uh. Isn’t quite on the same level as choosing to play a storylet billed as destructive.
What I want is for an option I chose to not be an extended exercise in being given slower advancement and more vulnerability than anyone else playing the content. That’s not an unreasonable request or a desire to profit, and I resent your framing it like that.
I think Fixers should be given a bribery mechanic. I’ve been saying that for about a year now :P Being able to bribe other players to switch sides would give them something to do besides menace patrol.
That would just result in a lot of upset forum posts from people who mistakenly clicked Accept on the social action, either because they’re tired or because they didn’t understand what it meant. SMEN is one thing, but elections are time sensitive.
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Why would anyone go North? Why would anyone play the Wry Functionary story?[/quote]
Not to derail the topic but I don’t remember the Wry Functionary story being particularly punishing or frustrating (even if he did thwart my attempts to get in his pants :P )
I don’t quite understand the complaint, as there are explicit instructions as to how to avoid getting mobbed. You may argue that it isn’t fair that you are unable to access specific snippets of lore, but that’s the price you pay for avoiding potential menaces. Why not be upset that you want to experience Seeking the Name while preserving your account.
You can still find Dirty Secrets, Convincing Rhetoric, and Public Attention through other means. If you don’t want to get mobbed then don’t get into situations where you can be.
The chances of getting Notoriety is low as it is, one mob a day max, and that’s assuming you have caught someone’s attention. If you want a solitary experience so be it, but don’t be so perturbed when social events required social consequences.
But we can’t have a solitary experience if the social stuff is forced on us
It’s not forced on you, you can willfully ignore and/or avoid all of it.
It isn’t forced though. You can ignored Campaigners, refuse the help of Fixers, and you won’t get mobbed if you aren’t an Agitator OR no longer do Flash Lays and Cases. No one forces you to do debates either.
There is always an option to exclude yourself, many of us have missed out on content due to role playing reasons and this is no different. You will miss out on content for being asocial, this is the nature of this event.
Listen, I don’t mind being disagreed with, but I do take exception to having my motivation being assumed.
Having extra consequence for playing a class that has to use both the notoriety-gaining options of resource-gathering for normal progression of play is something to be upset over. This isn’t comparable to seeking, and the comparison is ignorant at best, and disingenuous at worst. "informed of a risk well in advance" is not in the same zip code as "new vulnerability added in the second week of play with no opt-out other than give up on what you’ve done so far."
As for the issue with this method of play: This is not choosing to avoid social play, it’s taking issue with a decision to make your social interaction purely antagonistic and restrictive to others. We don’t enjoy killing other people’s good time, it’s that simple.
edited by ZackOak on 7/3/2017
it wasn’t last year. We could still play as our profession of choice and play all the content without being forced into social actions that we don’t enjoy.
That’s why it feels forced on us. Suddenly we HAVE to do it in order to play the way we did last year, and being told, "well, if you don’t do this and this and this, only do this and spend a lot of this, you can still totally play the election" isn’t much consolation.
edited by Kukapetal on 7/3/2017
I brought up SMEN because there’s a social action in which you reach out to non-Seekers to make them one, with a ton of Nightmares on top of it. That’s pretty rough, but you can always get out of Seeking and handle Nightmares in your own time. Spontaneously switching candidates via a Fixer-specific bribery option would be quite a bit different, especially if it comes with the same hit to your Career as the non-bribe switches.
It would be a really big bribe. Essentially, it’s the player deciding to cash out. There is a not insignificant minority who actively seek bribes, but find little success because its currently on the honor system. And sometimes scandals shake people’s faith in their candidate and, if they’re going to switch, they might as well get a payday.
It isn’t forced though. You can ignored Campaigners, refuse the help of Fixers, and you won’t get mobbed if you aren’t an Agitator OR no longer do Flash Lays and Cases. No one forces you to do debates either.
There is always an option to exclude yourself, many of us have missed out on content due to role playing reasons and this is no different. You will miss out on content for being asocial, this is the nature of this event.[/quote]
No one forces me to do the debates, but I can’t prevent people from sending me debate invitations containing political messages- unless I remove my characters from London for an entire week, which is bothersome. And even though the election and the candidates are fictional, there are ways in which these messages can get too close to real life. Yes, I suppose I can refuse the invitations without reading the messages, but that seems so rude to people who are just attempting to have some harmless RP fun. It’s not their fault that this particular aspect of RP makes me uncomfortable. I would rather the game gave me a way to become invisible to people looking for debate partners without having to spend several days away from London.
I have found “if you don’t like it, don’t play it” to be the least helpful or reasonable response to critique I can think of. It doesn’t show any desire to hear what problems people have, it’s a shutdown of dialogue, and unhelpful in a very obnoxious way.
It would be a really big bribe. Essentially, it’s the player deciding to cash out. There is a not insignificant minority who actively seek bribes, but find little success because its currently on the honor system. And sometimes scandals shake people’s faith in their candidate and, if they’re going to switch, they might as well get a payday.[/quote]
I dunno; it’d have to be very carefully balanced to avoid indiscriminate spamming while still not being such a huge factor that elections are won based on who has the most wealthy supporters willing to invest in this sort of thing. I get that there’s a demand, but it’s a tricky thing that really does need to be done right.
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Why would anyone go North? Why would anyone play the Wry Functionary story?[/quote]
Not to derail the topic but I don’t remember the Wry Functionary story being particularly punishing or frustrating (even if he did thwart my attempts to get in his pants :P )[/quote]
It does cost 15 Fate (IIRC), and brings absolutely no mechanical advantage.
Would that be a bad thing though? It’s certainly a big factor in real-life elections, and in-game everything is so shady that having the election result end up being decided by who was richest would actually be extremely amusing and add a touch of authenticity in my opinion. You also get the usual caveats: not everyone can be bribed, some people will take advantage of bribes and carousel around between candidates milking all the bribers, etc.
edited by Dudebro Pyro on 7/4/2017
Like pretty much everyone, the day of agitation just meant that I didn’t do any of the election content.
Would that be a bad thing though? It’s certainly a big factor in real-life elections, and in-game everything is so shady that having the election result end up being decided by who was richest would actually be extremely amusing and add a touch of authenticity in my opinion. You also get the usual caveats: not everyone can be bribed, some people will take advantage of bribes and carousel around between candidates milking all the bribers, etc.
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The balance would also be provided in the fact that, as I said, it would be a really big bribe. It would be too resource intensive to spam.
Also, maybe we could combine Agitator mechanics with the bribe mechanic - taking a bribe but failing to change sides would get you Notoriety, which would make you a target for angry mobs.