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3 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Toran
Toran
Posts: 298
She tells you that she is if you take the Watchful option entering the Tower.
4 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Aro Saren
Aro Saren
Posts: 469
Thank you for the echo too.
And this return to my original question: while the deviless is presented as Creditor's Solicitor in text, we don't have a point of our character actually learning she reprsents said Creditor.
At least, I don't see it: the Tower simply drops at our railway, and we suddenly know it is (representing) the Creditor.
4 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Waterpls
Waterpls
Posts: 480
NotaWalrus wrote:
Does anyone have the echo for talking to the Creditor's Solicitor in The Rose Giveth? I have the affiliation but went with correspondence for RP reasons.
[spoiler] A furious and brutal dance19 January, 1899 (Moloch Street)
Even among the devils, not every one would have the skill to perform as the deviless, the Creditor's Solicitor, now performs for you. She has six legs, now, and that makes the motions easier. There are phrases that can be expressed only in the tremble of the wings.
The message is even harder to translate into English than if it had come as Correspondence.
But when you describe it later to the members of your Board, you will say this: that it was like being a larva, rebuked for ambition and insult, for having freely entered into the queen's chambers and having forgotten what you are. And if you wish now to live – let alone to continue with your exploration – you will have to die and be reborn with a greater soul and a thicker carapace than you currently possess.

[/spoiler]
4 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Aro Saren
Aro Saren
Posts: 469
On relation of Neath, Creditor and Tower: I like your version. It's realistical for the Tower to know about such a mess one of it's brethern got into and be irritated by it.


The Throne Room belongs to yet another party - Debtor realized his mistake and went to a certain arbiter residing there for another bargain.

EDIT

Oops, sorry. Thank you for your echo, I misremembered that part. "Greater Power" refers to the region on the Neath, not the whole, Baroness states it plainly. Although it could be hierarchical in nature, deal with GHR was not on behalf the Neath as a whole. At least, this time.
edited by Aro Saren on 1/20/2021
5 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

PSGarak
PSGarak
Posts: 1135
I don't think the Creditor is the entire Neath, because text in the Throne Room describes it only judging those who traveled through its land. It's purview is a region in the Neath. It's still possible the Neath is the Greater Power, of which the Tower and Creditor are both parts. I'm not sold on this, although it's not entirely out of the question yet.

The ability to reset the station did not appear to be before, but did appear to be now. It is now available to players who picked one of the new options (as I did). I didn't document this well when I was going through, but I believe there are two options to reset the plan. The first is a one-time thing only, and clears Delay so you can start a new vote. The second, if you're already in a board meeting, simply lets you vacate the existing plans so that you can vote more.

The Rose Giveth its Verses to Devils and Also to You: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/PSGarak/20974111
5 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

NotaWalrus
NotaWalrus
Posts: 302
Does anyone have the echo for talking to the Creditor's Solicitor in The Rose Giveth? I have the affiliation but went with correspondence for RP reasons.
5 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Ulysses Kingfisher
Ulysses Kingfisher
Posts: 66
Aro Saren wrote:
Also, the architect was reset - you can change station design even after confronting the Tower.

Are there new options, or is this just a chance to revisit the same set of choices that were available before?
6 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Aro Saren
Aro Saren
Posts: 469
- The Stone - I doubt she has anything to do with it;
- Stone Pigs - are brought by the Bazaar from outer space, no relation to the Neath;
- the Neath being Storm's skull is an in-game rumor, the Storm is one of Aeginae, that came for the Bazaar, but then something else happened; at least, that's what I remember;
- Salt came to the Neath to investigate certain rumours going on, then decided to ditch the game between the stars and buggered East;
- we can gleam information in her dream because she knows said information; Parabola is easily reached here because Mountain Nomad opened the mirrors, committing the Treachery of Glass;
- depending on the power of said machine - weak it'll **** the Neath off, strong it'll suborn it like everything else.

From inside the game we know:
- Neath was birthed, said birth violated the Great Chain and was bought with clinamens;
- it is the place where the Earth hides things that shame her;
- whatever Fires says if you side with him instead of Furnace in the Tower; I cannot remember whole thing, but the gist is that truly native forces of the Neath are sort of genii locorum, and you literally rail over their faces with your road, also the Tower is one of them; statement that the Tower is just a part of some greater power for me points at Neath itself, or at least a huge part of it.

Treacheries are present in the Neath because the Law is blocked here - it's shielded from sunlight, as befitting it's status of laboratory, so as not to mess non-approved experimental shit with the Law.

Also, it's the debtor who's asleep, or I'm mistaken?
6 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Winthropx
Winthropx
Posts: 283
Sir Reginald Monteroy wrote:
Aro Saren wrote:

I thought that line meant the Tower is merely aware of the business between the Bazaar and the Creditor. Jabs are reasonable in that case: from the Tower's perspective whole this mess is rather irritating, no matter how you look.

The Solicitor was not intimidating you: it sounded more like a sincere advice to stay out of this truly epic mess to avoid complicating it even further.


In this case revolutionaries show what they really are: cowards. From their rhetorics one would expect to either enlist Tower's help against the Bazaar or attack it too, but they're merely groveling, desperately trying to pretend they aren't even here.


I think this &quotgreater Power&quot, of which the Tower is part, is the Neath itself.



Interesting points. You may be right about the Tower being instead a part or a peer to the Bazaar's Creditor. It is most definitely deeply in the know about the whole business, which means it has secrets we must risk our eyes, souls and very minds to pry into.
And telling me to stand aside and NOT complicate super- um... infranatural events on a cosmic scale if I had the opportunity practically amounts to intimidation.

But most importantly, your last idea: do we know/can we conjecture what the Neath even is, what are its aims and desires, and how exactly is it alive and sentient?

What do you believe, then, are the relations between the Neath and:

- the Mountain/Stone; could likely have a role in the Creditor's/Neath's viability?
- the Stone Pigs; perhaps that is also a part/aspect of this greater power, and London/Bazaar may be at risk of them waking, despite the Lacre shenanigans?
- Storm/the Long Dead God, whose skull the space of the Neath allegedly should be?
- Salt, of whom I don't have even a faint idea?
- the Parabola, the Fingerkings and the dream-sun, the war with whom may be likewise looming, and where we can glean information of the Creditor's story in the Commissioner's dreams?
- the New Sequence and the Dawn Machine they're trying to build - how would a sentient Neath feel about a false-Sun trying to enforce its rules willy-nilly about?
edited by Sir Reginald Monteroy on 1/20/2021


Maybe it the Earth herself from the elemental secret. Or, how the the Neath feel that it’s where the Earth hides her shameful things?
6 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Alpha900i
Alpha900i
Posts: 51
While before that I always assumed, that Creditor was more ... personal person than whole Neath (which, in hindsight, was little bit unwise in setting of sapient sun and mountain-range-sized dragons. But here is my two cents. No matter how big Aeginaes are, Neath seems to be more or less infinite in all directions - and we didn't even tried to dig into abysses yet (we probably should not anyway. Violin may be not even worst thing). So I always assumed, Neath, whatever it may be, needed just a physical point to project itself into - like an anchor of sorts. Mere fact, that it is both underground and in some Skull doesn't mean that it is either ... well, underground or in skull. Like Parabola doesn't actually lies behinds mirrors. Storm could be nice enough to present his skull for time being. I can even see how it happened (What? My skull? Sure. I am planning to be dead for couple of aeons, so you can use it). Pity, but he doesn't strike me like a good source of info right now - too sleepy, too deady, too crazy.
One more line I keep in mind. Alexis Kennedy referred to Neath as "notorious half-secret laboratory of stellar secrets". It has some Forge of Souls vibes to me. May Creditor be something like Lamentation of Mists then - either artificial or natural creature, supposed to really run things here? It being sleeping could explain lot of Neath's strangeness - Treacheries included; when boss is out, things often tend to go sideways.
8 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
Posts: 282
Aro Saren wrote:

I thought that line meant the Tower is merely aware of the business between the Bazaar and the Creditor. Jabs are reasonable in that case: from the Tower's perspective whole this mess is rather irritating, no matter how you look.

The Solicitor was not intimidating you: it sounded more like a sincere advice to stay out of this truly epic mess to avoid complicating it even further.


In this case revolutionaries show what they really are: cowards. From their rhetorics one would expect to either enlist Tower's help against the Bazaar or attack it too, but they're merely groveling, desperately trying to pretend they aren't even here.


I think this "greater Power", of which the Tower is part, is the Neath itself.



Interesting points. You may be right about the Tower being instead a part or a peer to the Bazaar's Creditor. It is most definitely deeply in the know about the whole business, which means it has secrets we must risk our eyes, souls and very minds to pry into.
And telling me to stand aside and NOT complicate super- um... infranatural events on a cosmic scale if I had the opportunity practically amounts to intimidation.

But most importantly, your last idea: do we know/can we conjecture what the Neath even is, what are its aims and desires, and how exactly is it alive and sentient?

What do you believe, then, are the relations between the Neath and:

- the Mountain/Stone; could likely have a role in the Creditor's/Neath's viability?
- the Stone Pigs; perhaps that is also a part/aspect of this greater power, and London/Bazaar may be at risk of them waking, despite the Lacre shenanigans?
- Storm/the Long Dead God, whose skull the space of the Neath allegedly should be?
- Salt, of whom I don't have even a faint idea?
- the Parabola, the Fingerkings and the dream-sun, the war with whom may be likewise looming, and where we can glean information of the Creditor's story in the Commissioner's dreams?
- the New Sequence and the Dawn Machine they're trying to build - how would a sentient Neath feel about a false-Sun trying to enforce its rules willy-nilly about?
edited by Sir Reginald Monteroy on 1/20/2021
9 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

PSGarak
PSGarak
Posts: 1135
Aro Saren wrote:

Also, the architect was reset - you can change station design even after confronting the Tower.

It seems this is available even if you have one of the new plans, as long as you haven't re-set your plans before. This is good news for me--the bonus meeting lets me sign that contract with the Tower.

Edit: Was the option for one that looks like Hell there before?
edited by PSGarak on 1/20/2021
9 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Aro Saren
Aro Saren
Posts: 469
Sir Reginald Monteroy wrote:
This one in particular seems to imply that we have encountered the very same Creditor: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Sir%20Reginald%20Monteroy/20980921

That, plus various jabs and insinuations the tellingly named Creditor's Solicitor makes towards the Bazaar and its credibility.

Though, of course, certainty is a tricky subject when we're dealing with sentient geo-archaeological entities.

EDIT:
Amalgamate wrote:
I'm going to go with the calendar option... July, September, and the Jovial Contrarian (and Furnace) are my board anyway! (Plus or minus a tentacled entrepreneur.)



I'm actually leaning towards the historical option, as that seems to imply more thought out, informed and Neath-lore-relevant approach. Plus it will perhaps leave more possibilities open for when the looming confrontation between the Bazaar and the Creditor comes. Or at least it leaves open possibility for more conciliatory ones.

In fact, I have half a mind to try "acting for the Bazaar" for the heck of it, just because the Solicitor tried to intimidate me into not doing so...



I thought that line meant the Tower is merely aware of the business between the Bazaar and the Creditor. Jabs are reasonable in that case: from the Tower's perspective whole this mess is rather irritating, no matter how you look.

The Solicitor was not intimidating you: it sounded more like a sincere advice to stay out of this truly epic mess to avoid complicating it even further.



In this case revolutionaries show what they really are: cowards. From their rhetorics one would expect to either enlist Tower's help against the Bazaar or attack it too, but they're merely groveling, desperately trying to pretend they aren't even here.



I think this "greater Power", of which the Tower is part, is the Neath itself.

Also, the architect was reset - you can change station design even after confronting the Tower.
edited by Aro Saren on 1/20/2021
10 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

PSGarak
PSGarak
Posts: 1135
One of the lines stood out to me:
Creditor's Solicitor wrote:
I write for the Tower and for the greater Power of which the Tower is but a part

My take is that the "greater Power" is the Creditor proper, or perhaps the Creditor is peer to the Tower and both are part of this "greater Power." The Solicitor is engaged by the Power, and that arrangement includes acting as an agent for its various... whatever the Tower is.
11 hours ago
Topic:
Moulin

Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
Posts: 282
This one in particular seems to imply that we have encountered the very same Creditor: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Sir%20Reginald%20Monteroy/20980921

That, plus various jabs and insinuations the tellingly named Creditor's Solicitor makes towards the Bazaar and its credibility.

Though, of course, certainty is a tricky subject when we're dealing with sentient geo-archaeological entities.

EDIT:
Amalgamate wrote:
I'm going to go with the calendar option... July, September, and the Jovial Contrarian (and Furnace) are my board anyway! (Plus or minus a tentacled entrepreneur.)



I'm actually leaning towards the historical option, as that seems to imply more thought out, informed and Neath-lore-relevant approach. Plus it will perhaps leave more possibilities open for when the looming confrontation between the Bazaar and the Creditor comes. Or at least it leaves open possibility for more conciliatory ones.

In fact, I have half a mind to try "acting for the Bazaar" for the heck of it, just because the Solicitor tried to intimidate me into not doing so...
edited by Sir Reginald Monteroy on 1/20/2021
11 hours ago
Topic:
Weekly Fallen London Questions, 18/01/2021

Aro Saren
Aro Saren
Posts: 469
You can turn the lackey to your side before installing him as a figurehead.
12 hours ago
Topic:
Weekly Fallen London Questions, 18/01/2021

Judaspriester
Judaspriester
Posts: 167
Hey,

I'm on the way to Station VII, but after the first part of the tracks, certain problems with Furnace occured. Are the 2 options for the board meeting the only ones for solving this issue, or are there other ways, that I just haven't noticed jet?
14 hours ago
Topic:
Changes to "Attending a Party"

Kiptoo
Kiptoo
Posts: 1261
It does kind of make sense when you think of it as a... party...
On the up side - this means you won't need to spend opp cards to draw cards there. But I'll miss the favours: Hell.
16 hours ago
Topic:
Weekly Fallen London Questions, 18/01/2021

Diptych
Diptych
Administrator
Posts: 3690
Alas, it's RNG, as far as I'm aware.
16 hours ago
Topic:
Weekly Fallen London Questions, 18/01/2021

Plynkes
Plynkes
Posts: 719
When you mark a crate in the factory at Station VII, is there anything you need to do to get the option that isn't the tonic, or is it just RNG? I have four tonics now and what I really want is the other thing.


Edit: Never mind. After six tonics I finally got the fillip! smile
edited by Plynkes on 1/20/2021




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