 Hannah Flynn Administrator Posts: 491
3/3/2020
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Monster-hunters of the Neath brag about the beasts they've bagged, but not the Vake.
Bag a Legend Part 1 will arrive today, and you'll get early access via a code I'll post here.
I hope you enjoy it!
-- Wields the news canon, aboard the hype train.
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/3/2020
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For those with a Thoroughly Cowed Pony, take the relevant option to get something special...
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/18/2020
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The bounty is paid.
[spoiler] [/spoiler]
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Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/20/2020
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The Elfin Cannibal wrote:
Aro Saren wrote:
Not finished it myself, but there was posted a screenshot of affiliation. Basically, you're paid with a huge network of influences and obligations (apparently, there's not enough cash in London for this bounty). edited by Aro Saren on 3/19/2020 Who would put up a bounty no one can p—oh, right, Veils did it for a lark didn’t he? Even if someone succeeded, that’s practically the definition of Somebody Else’s Problem. edited by The Elfin Cannibal on 3/20/2020
[Edited for clarity, since the original was written in the middle of the night when I was half-asleep.]
We can argue that the schemes and plans of the Bazaar and the Masters are extremely short-sighted and petty (which they are) and that this is a definite oversight on their part, but after thousands of years of Vake shenanigans, they probably thought that no human could claim the bounty. Even if Veils is somehow "defeated" by a hunter, Masters are known for being notoriously difficult to permanently kill (like Veils, Cups, Mirrors, and Eaten have proven), so they expect at least some part of Veils to continue existing. If even a fraction of Veils exists, they can easily concoct an absurd excuse to deny giving you the bounty since you did not kill the Vake in its entirety.
However, they are downright terrified if you do manage to 100% destroy the Vake, not only because they have to pay a massive bounty, but because of the dangerous determinator that you have proven to be. The Bazaar and the Masters expect you to act like them, to manipulate and control an enemy (like Veils) rather than outright destroy it just for a bounty that cannot reasonably be paid. It means you will go to any lengths to get what you want, someone that cannot be reasoned with or bought out. It shows you are absolutely ruthless in killing every single aspect of Veils instead of taking the easy way out and sparing even one of them for your own gain. More than the possibility of being driven to bankruptcy, the Bazaar and the Masters are rightfully scared that giving you a trillion Neathly dollars would mean that you are coming for them next.
As such, my guess is that the Bazaar's version of an "IOU" is to prevent you from getting too mad and uncontrollable with wealth to be a problem, while also enmeshing you in Bazaar politics to continue serving its own interests (to make the most of your bounty, you have to stay near the Bazaar and protect it from outside threats so that it can live long enough to pay you back). In a way, the Bazaar is grooming you to eventually fill the void caused by Veils's absence (Wines gives the warning for a reason).
Lastly, they probably hope you die and stay dead or they quickly cycle through the necessary remaining cities long before the full debt is paid. Once the contract for 7 cities is completed and/or you die for real, they are no longer obligated to pay and can avoid paying the full amount. The Bazaar and the Masters often play the long game, sort of like how casinos still profit despite giving the occasional jackpot, and you are reasonably unlikely to live long enough for all of the bounty to come to you.
So in the end, according to the Bazaar and the Masters, this is merely a temporary setback. And this is not taking to account that Mr Wines pressures you to kill a friend in the future, a way of reminding you that they still have power over you. And if they are as smart as I think they are, they will want you to kill April, a credible threat that cannot be coerced in any way to work with them.
TLDR: The "Bounty" means that the Bazaar is in your debt, but you must continue serving its interests to make the most out of it. That way, the Bazaar still theoretically comes out on top in the end. edited by The Curious Watcher on 3/20/2020
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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 Jaina Posts: 239
3/22/2020
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Chwomp wrote:
The Curious Watcher wrote:
We have most of the endings, so let me use my real-life Mithridacy skills to convince people to pick "X" option:
You make extremely good points. I fear I made the wrong choice for my Monter-Hunter, letting Third City Veils live under a tree. I'm not sure what he did, but I'm not sure that's a harsh enough punishment for it. Do you think there any possibility to get a "rollback" on the choice? I think that's a very strong punishment for Veils. He always prided himself on his strength, his viciousness, and his power. He's not living under a tree in that ending, the tree is becoming part of him. He has to live in a world that is not real, constantly reminded that he is yours. He lost. He is powerless. He can rage all he wants but he can never escape, never change. He'll always have been bested by someone who he targeted.
-- Cair-Var, a power-hungry lover of Devils and Rubberies Hungry Ego, A morally upstanding citizen
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 Gemma Hawley Posts: 55
4/21/2020
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So, to celebrate my victory, I bought the Veils-Velvet from the Relickers, and I think the flavour text differs now.
This is what it used to read: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Silent_man/17460742
And mine was: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Gemma%20Hawley/18210248
-- Gemma Hawley—Former urchin, recovering misanthrope, fixer for the Cheery Man
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4/22/2020
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Hattington wrote:
Does anyone have the rewards for Surface Veils or Third City Veils? Surface Veils final text and reward.
I am very pleased with this outcome. As soon as I saw the option to keep one of the Veilses, I knew a Midnighter would not be able to resist this one.
-- Rupho Schartenhauer has killed a Master, well: most of it. Cortez the Killer has killed a Master, definitely. Deepdelver has become the progenitor of London's brightest star. It's... complicated. Dr. Kvirkvelia, gone NORTH on 23/12/1894.
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 Deathjack999 Posts: 140
25 days ago
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Lets get down to business, to stab The Vake.
-- Send me anything social, My FL account has the same username as this one.
Ambition Status: Waiting for new content in Bag A Legend.
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/29/2020
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Play as Black and you'll gain an option to decrease Advancing the Liberation. As far as I'm aware it should be possible to wipe it entirely that way, although you'd ironically need high enough Advancing to start the process.
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 Aro Saren Posts: 124
3/22/2020
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The Curious Watcher wrote:
The Elfin Cannibal wrote:
Aro Saren wrote:
Not finished it myself, but there was posted a screenshot of affiliation. Basically, you're paid with a huge network of influences and obligations (apparently, there's not enough cash in London for this bounty). edited by Aro Saren on 3/19/2020 Who would put up a bounty no one can p—oh, right, Veils did it for a lark didn’t he? Even if someone succeeded, that’s practically the definition of Somebody Else’s Problem. edited by The Elfin Cannibal on 3/20/2020
[Edited for clarity, since the original was written in the middle of the night when I was half-asleep.]
We can argue that the schemes and plans of the Bazaar and the Masters are extremely short-sighted and petty (which they are) and that this is a definite oversight on their part, but after thousands of years of Vake shenanigans, they probably thought that no human could claim the bounty. Even if Veils is somehow "defeated" by a hunter, Masters are known for being notoriously difficult to permanently kill (like Veils, Cups, Mirrors, and Eaten have proven), so they expect at least some part of Veils to continue existing. If even a fraction of Veils exists, they can easily concoct an absurd excuse to deny giving you the bounty since you did not kill the Vake in its entirety.
However, they are downright terrified if you do manage to 100% destroy the Vake, not only because they have to pay a massive bounty, but because of the dangerous determinator that you have proven to be. The Bazaar and the Masters expect you to act like them, to manipulate and control an enemy (like Veils) rather than outright destroy it just for a bounty that cannot reasonably be paid. It means you will go to any lengths to get what you want, someone that cannot be reasoned with or bought out. It shows you are absolutely ruthless in killing every single aspect of Veils instead of taking the easy way out and sparing even one of them for your own gain. More than the possibility of being driven to bankruptcy, the Bazaar and the Masters are rightfully scared that giving you a trillion Neathly dollars would mean that you are coming for them next.
As such, my guess is that the Bazaar's version of an "IOU" is to prevent you from getting too mad and uncontrollable with wealth to be a problem, while also enmeshing you in Bazaar politics to continue serving its own interests (to make the most of your bounty, you have to stay near the Bazaar and protect it from outside threats so that it can live long enough to pay you back). In a way, the Bazaar is grooming you to eventually fill the void caused by Veils's absence (Wines gives the warning for a reason).
Lastly, they probably hope you die and stay dead or they quickly cycle through the necessary remaining cities long before the full debt is paid. Once the contract for 7 cities is completed and/or you die for real, they are no longer obligated to pay and can avoid paying the full amount. The Bazaar and the Masters often play the long game, sort of like how casinos still profit despite giving the occasional jackpot, and you are reasonably unlikely to live long enough for all of the bounty to come to you.
So in the end, according to the Bazaar and the Masters, this is merely a temporary setback. And this is not taking to account that Mr Wines pressures you to kill a friend in the future, a way of reminding you that they still have power over you. And if they are as smart as I think they are, they will want you to kill April, a credible threat that cannot be coerced in any way to work with them.
TLDR: The "Bounty" means that the Bazaar is in your debt, but you must continue serving its interests to make the most out of it. That way, the Bazaar still theoretically comes out on top in the end. edited by The Curious Watcher on 3/20/2020
Finally read that reward giving storylet. Veils was the one who demanded such a bounty, and he was meant to be the main backer, though he, indeed, had no intentions of actually paying a single penny, since the whole thing was a bait for tasty hunters. But the resulting "IOU" is not a mean to control you as a human pawn - surprisingly, the contract was written in Correspondence and included Bazaar itself, and thus is binding on the same level as a city buying ones (that is to say, very). During the audit for your reward it was considered to declare the Bazaar bankrupt and liquidate (heh) the current city to pay off the debt, although they actually manage to find enough loose assets to pool with Veils' property to make just enough. Though liquidation is what the Bazaar and some Masters would prefer, since the reckoning is close and they want to speed up. Pawn part comes from the different angle: previously there was only one dead Master, but now each Ambtion will supposedly kill one, and Bazaar would need replacements. Although you're not under obligation to become one, you are supposed be duped to think it's a privilege instead of slavery, lulled by all the goods already provided, were it not for Mr. Wines and your knowledge from other stories providing some caution.
-- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Andre%20Alexin Will accept only something interesting.
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 Miss Verity Green Posts: 21
3/22/2020
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Aro Saren wrote:
previously there was only one dead Master
Previously there was one mostly-dead Master, but there are a few others who are already gone.
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/20/2020
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Chwomp wrote:
I plan to capture and make 3rd city Veils my pet. Anyone interested in the stats? edited by Chwomp on 3/19/2020
I saw this in his journal, the ending involving Third City Veils as your "friend". You get the same affiliation with the other option with Third City Veils.
If the Drowned Man could witness this, I wonder if he would be laughing at the irony of Third City Veils's potential endings.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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 Jaina Posts: 239
3/20/2020
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Eating him is irony, and chaining him to a tree to suffer forever in impotence is just *hilarious*. Kudos to FBG.
-- Cair-Var, a power-hungry lover of Devils and Rubberies Hungry Ego, A morally upstanding citizen
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/24/2020
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silurica wrote:
ochrasy wrote:
I'm finally done with the epilogue. anyone has an echo for the option in which you say your lawyer will be present? Here you go.
For those who are curious if you actually do the paperwork for yourself to claim the bounty, here is the echo. edited by The Curious Watcher on 3/24/2020
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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 Jon Posts: 5
3/20/2020
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The Curious Watcher wrote:
For those who decided to make the promise to Wines to kill a friend (a real friend, not the BS that Veils is a friend), do you have to honor the promise immediately or does it hang over you forever? And if it is immediately, who does Wines expect for you to kill?
I promised to kill a real friend, you do not immediately act on that promise. Unless I missed something/it’s part of the final epilogue 24 hours later, you never act on that promise at all
If it is part of the 24 hours later thing I’ll come back and edit this comment saying so
Edit: Mr Wines approaches you during the final epilogue, you expect him to bring up the promise and the friend is suggested to be April. Surprisingly, Wines does not press you on fulfilling your end of the deal, he express the contrary. April lives on edited by Jon on 3/20/2020
-- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/TheRaggedMan
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 Jaina Posts: 239
3/20/2020
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As a heads-up, you can either eat third city Veils or capture him. The person I know who got there has not yet made her decision.
-- Cair-Var, a power-hungry lover of Devils and Rubberies Hungry Ego, A morally upstanding citizen
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 Azothi Posts: 586
3/19/2020
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Oh dear, 6 BDR. That's something.
-- Azoth I, the Emissary of Cardinals - A Paramount Presence (not currently accepting new Proteges) Away to where the Chain cannot bind us.
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 Chwomp Posts: 13
3/19/2020
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Expertise is created by recruiting Lettice, the Mercy to your lab (via the staffing option) and choosing her card when it comes up. (research in London, not Parabola). You'll need 5 Tomb-Colonies favors to recruit her, though.
As for me, I killed Surface Veils and I'm in the middle of a hunt right now against Curator Veils. I plan to capture and make 3rd city Veils my pet. Anyone interested in the stats? edited by Chwomp on 3/19/2020
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 ChangelingChilde Posts: 231
3/11/2020
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Deathjack999 wrote:
What's the most reliable Way to get Airag?
Because short of Acquiring 35 cellars of Wine through the most inefficient means possible...I have no other way of getting Tears.
But seriously who looked at the requirements for this step and said "Good idea! Print!" edited by Deathjack999 on 3/11/2020 Someone who expects us to be seriously endgame, I imagine.
-- DO you recall how the Hunger began? I'm sorry, my darling, I don't think I can! OUT past the High Wilderness and beyond I fear I've gone Seeking, for of Him I'm fond. --The Elfin Cannibal
Seven scars, seven chains, a soul too stained for Hell, and seven sainted candles burning at the well.
Gone to Grieve on the 17th day of the 7th month, 1897. Will be Vake-hunting next.
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/3/2020
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Another probably missable thing, thanks to Mourning_Sun on the discord: optionally using a very expensive item for your disguise gives a unique quality.
-- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome.
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 babelfishwars Administrator Posts: 1152
3/10/2020
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Part two is now live! Fill your boots.
Good luck!
edited by babelfishwars on 3/10/2020
-- Mars, God of Fish; Leaning Tower of Fish
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/10/2020
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I didn't get the initial bit in the lab, but I'm doing my best to fully document everything!
Edit: I apologize to whatever wiki people have to sort out this mess later. When hunting Parabolan prey, many of the options change their titles based on the prey's name. I tried to do something fancy with disambiguations but you'll have to figure out the best way to represent this. edited by Optimatum on 3/10/2020
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Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
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 yetanotherone Posts: 135
3/10/2020
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Waiting for some turns to refresh now.
Got quite some way into Parabola now. There are many special options for glassman & monster hunter, which I sadly am not.
Stock up on hard-earned lessons if you're heading there, and maybe use a mood card - it's quite challenging with 286 dangerous.
Lots of excellent weird dream-animals too, as you'd expect. Here's a very colourful focused albatross:
https://images.fallenlondon.com/images/icons/albatross2.png
I have echoed most of this on 'ancient' profile link below.
-- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/AncientDrunkard https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/ModernDrunkard
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/10/2020
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Finally back in London, and taking a long break from wiki-updating. Parabola has an incredible amount of content, all of it very enjoyable, but it's a pain to document
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 Deathjack999 Posts: 140
3/10/2020
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yetanotherone wrote:
- it's quite challenging with 286 dangerous. You can actually Grind Monstrous Anatomy to reduce the challenge somewhat.
Also the First step of making the Curved-Talon Absinthe increases your K-Tox Quality by one. edited by Deathjack999 on 3/10/2020
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Ambition Status: Waiting for new content in Bag A Legend.
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/10/2020
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Most of the Toxicology/Anatomy/Glasswork challenges raise the quality by 1 CP, success or fail. There's almost certainly a cap though.
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/11/2020
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I've reached the current boundary and can give a few details about a few things for new players will need for the Base Camp so you don't have to go back and forth from the Parabolan Base Camp to London like I did:
5 Aeolian Screams
Both a regular Parabolan Linen Suit & Dress from the Bazaar, some honey, and Strong-backed Labour. Monster-Hunters can ignore spending Strong-backed Labour.
11 Rookery Passwords, 11 Pulsating Amber, or help from Fate-locked Countess of Thorns or an Anchoress.
A Parabolan Panther, a Bengal Tigress or a Dream-Hound from the Fate-locked Animal Husbandry
A certain step will require 5 Urchin favours to progress if you have started and completed the fate-locked Mysteries of the Foreign Office, or a Bazaar Tear, a Cellar of Wine, and Connected: Masters if you haven't and are not willing to spend fate.
If you still have a Half-Wild Mandrake, there's a bit of flavour text after you deliver the payload.
This is just from memory, feel free to add other options & materials needed to progress for this step in the Ambition. edited by The Curious Watcher on 3/11/2020
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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 Deathjack999 Posts: 140
3/11/2020
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What's the most reliable Way to get Airag?
Because short of Acquiring 35 cellars of Wine through the most inefficient means possible...I have no other way of getting Tears.
But seriously who looked at the requirements for this step and said "Good idea! Print!" edited by Deathjack999 on 3/11/2020
-- Send me anything social, My FL account has the same username as this one.
Ambition Status: Waiting for new content in Bag A Legend.
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 Rostygold Posts: 346
3/4/2020
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underhat wrote:
I'm confused. I have Ambition: Bag a Legend! 140 from years ago when I reached the end of the content at that time. I don't remember much about the storyline... So, where do I go now to find the continuation?
You should have a storylet at your Lodgings. One of the options is a story reminder.
P.S. Brief summary: You need a big not-bomb to kill the Vake and you need to make the not-bomb in the dream-world. (If you went "I... what?" at this, you definitely need the reminder.) edited by Rostygold on 3/4/2020
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/6/2020
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Apparently it was supposed to be a way to increase your disguise mid-conversation, not an alternate path through the event.
Edit: Apparently anyone who missed out can contact support to get the full experience! edited by Optimatum on 3/6/2020
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 Rostygold Posts: 346
3/7/2020
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I had been waiting a few days for someone to update the Wiki and ... nothing.
I added the most recent pages about this wiki.
Come on, you louts - if you are going to discuss the Ambition update here, do every other player a favour and help contribute to the wiki too. edited by Rostygold on 3/7/2020
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 Rostygold Posts: 346
3/9/2020
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Ooh, the lab work part is implemented like the Broad Unterzee - unlimited cards, three-card slots. The player character can just pop in and out with two actions, and return to London proper with a full stack of cards.
Whee.
Also, come on. Am I the only one doing the wiki updates now? edited by Rostygold on 3/9/2020
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 silurica Posts: 210
3/9/2020
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I can't navigate wiki editing but if you need information I can PM you my documentation on BaL and lab content. (I also have a document for Nemesis and expect to continue recording for other ambitions.)
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Meika Osborne, the Reckless Researcher
Leonard West, the Scarlet Informant
Chizuru Nishiooji, the Rueful Ex-Diplomat
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3/10/2020
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Rostygold wrote:
silurica wrote:
I can't navigate wiki editing but if you need information I can PM you my documentation on BaL and lab content. (I also have a document for Nemesis and expect to continue recording for other ambitions.)
"BaL"? I am not that far into this ambition yet. I am plugging away at it while making new entries at the wiki. "Bag a Legend"
-- Midnight Voyager - A blood-cousin to predators. Collector of beasts. Affably mad.
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 ladyskullface Posts: 1
3/10/2020
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Rostygold wrote:
I had been waiting a few days for someone to update the Wiki and ... nothing.
I added the most recent pages about this wiki.
Come on, you louts - if you are going to discuss the Ambition update here, do every other player a favour and help contribute to the wiki too. edited by Rostygold on 3/7/2020
Editor on the wiki and not-really a poster here. Also the last person to add several pages to this specific ambition before the bomb stuff. Since that ambition’s major updates, I’ve lost the laptop that I’ve worked on, and I’ve also lost a lot of time to work on the wiki. That, combined with the amount of updates to the Ambition (and I acknowledge there are a lot of updates to this specific ambition), has given me less time to update, and working on mobile instead of on a laptop specifically on the wiki is slower for me than with a laptop. (There are no plans right now for me to acquire a laptop, if you’re wondering.)
I have been trying to edit what I have that’s not up on the wiki yet, but I have recorded everything I’ve done in the ambition so far, and I’m happy to PM details about the ambition (I have a lot, but I didn’t record everything, like the text that changes some qualities at the lab and past the lab that appears in the “Myself” tab) to anyone editing the wiki. edited by ladyskullface on 3/10/2020
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Deathjack999 wrote:
What's the most reliable Way to get Airag?
Because short of Acquiring 35 cellars of Wine through the most inefficient means possible...I have no other way of getting Tears.
But seriously who looked at the requirements for this step and said "Good idea! Print!" edited by Deathjack999 on 3/11/2020
Grind your wines. 1882 Greyfields to get Morelways. Morelways to get Strangling Willow Absinthe. Strangling Willow Absinthe to get Broken Giant. 25 Broken Giant plus one Church Favour for 5 Cellars of Wine. And 5 Cellars of Wine traded through the Portly Sommelier card for a bottle of Airag. The last step depends upon getting the card, but the rest can be done any time--just choose cards and actions to get more of the other wines, and trade up when you have enough in a category.
-- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355
Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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3/12/2020
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With access to the Velocipede Squad, that's iirc the best way to grind Broken Giant. Selling Hounds of Heaven to the Bishop is also a good way to get Cellars of Wine directly.
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3/12/2020
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After doing some experimenting at the Parabolan Base Camp with my Monster-Hunter, you can grind the base stat of Monstrous Anatomy and Glasswork (not including equipment) to a maximum of 5. I presume that the other two stats, Kataleptic Toxicology and a Player of Games, have a similar cap placed on them.
So for those who reached the current Ambition boundary, what do you think will happen at the end of this Ambition?
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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3/16/2020
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The Curious Watcher wrote:
After doing some experimenting at the Parabolan Base Camp with my Monster-Hunter, you can grind the base stat of Monstrous Anatomy and Glasswork (not including equipment) to a maximum of 5. I presume that the other two stats, Kataleptic Toxicology and a Player of Games, have a similar cap placed on them.
So for those who reached the current Ambition boundary, what do you think will happen at the end of this Ambition?
I for one hope you can cook and devour Mr. Veils, all 3 of him, and then having proven Londoners were the most dangerous game all along take up his robe and start hunting everyone else like a psychotic Batman.
-- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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3/16/2020
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The Curious Watcher wrote:
So for those who reached the current Ambition boundary, what do you think will happen at the end of this Ambition?
you know, I just wanted my 4 million echoes.
I don’t think I’m getting 4 million echoes.
-- Ochrasy. Monster-Hunter. Dangerous and Watchful, favors the Constables. Robitaille. Persuasive and Shadowy, fond of the Devils. Herr Horst. Seeker of Revenge. Open to all social actions on all accounts. Preferably, send any MW-providing actions to Ochrasy.
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3/16/2020
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Deathjack999 wrote:
That was enough dosh to purchase the Wines for the Greyfields+Morelways side of the Cellars (I got the Strangling Willow and Broken Giant by Up-And-Arounding 2000 Relics of the Third City)
Wait, how are you getting Cellars? You can just upconvert Broken Giant.
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3/17/2020
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IT IS DONE. I'll start putting things on the wiki later. Right now though, it's time for a well-earned nap.
[spoiler]
Sad that I couldn't keep my hungry Jaguar Blade, and a bit disappointed the Head gives no cool stats whatsoever, but you know what? I'll take it. [/spoiler]
-- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome.
Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/18/2020
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Optimatum wrote:
Solacefruits are a rare success on curing nightmares in Parabola or some option in the Waswood.
I went as far as selling all of my valuables and expensive equipment to get the materials needed to kill the Vakes. Surface Veils and Third City Veils are dead, and the only thing that I am missing in order to hunt Curator Veils are the Solacefruits.
If I didn't hate Mr Veils with every fiber of my being before, I definitely do now.
I've been exploring the option of random rewards at the Waswood, but I've only obtained petty relics and an Ambiguous Eolith. Either I have really bad luck, or I am not looking at the right place.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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Update: After about half of day of camping at the Waswood by reaching towards the shore, I got Ambiguous Eoliths, several relics of the second city, knobs of scintillack, royal blue feathers, unprovenanced artifacts, carved balls of stygian ivory, and correspondence plaques. In the week before, I farmed about spent about 75 Aeolian Screams for Orange-Apples and repeatedly healed wounds to max Glasswork and Kataleptic Toxicology...
...but have yet to receive a single Solacefruit (the first gained from the Advent), of which I need six more to finish off the Vake. Any advice is appreciated.
EDIT: Further grinding at the Waswood gave me a Curiosity: Femur of a Jurassic Beast. The description reads as: "It comes from the Surface, but the Surface a very long time ago." edited by The Curious Watcher on 3/18/2020
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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3/18/2020
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Solacefruit can be gotten from the cure nightmares option in your base camp. I don't think anyone outside Failbetter knows whether it is an alternative success or some form of a rare one, but it is there.
If you need nightmares, equip the claw you gotten during the ambition. Or a sporing bonnet.
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3/18/2020
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Hattington, the storylet for sparing your Vake should be in your Lodgings -- if you haven't received a message from the living story and the storylet isn't there, please contact support. (I can confirm that your name *was* on the list for the living story to be delivered to you, but it shows as having triggered.)
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 Jaina Posts: 239
3/18/2020
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Is anyone actually going to spare the Chess Veils or the 3rd City Veils? I'm waiting to make my choice until I have a better idea what the others give but I'm starting to suspect I'd have to wait months for the others to finally show.
-- Cair-Var, a power-hungry lover of Devils and Rubberies Hungry Ego, A morally upstanding citizen
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3/3/2020
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Whee! The one alt who's on the Nemesis ambition wasn't anywhere near the boundary (and had literally only just become a POSI before the new content went up, and hadn't even gone to Venderbight yet) but the other alt is only a step from the Bag A Legend boundary (still gathering the element for the chorister's bomb) so I'm excited to (be able to) see where this is going. edited by Tintinnabulum on 3/3/2020
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 Hannah Flynn Administrator Posts: 491
3/3/2020
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The Vake has terrorised London long enough. It is time to eradicate this particular menace. forum members can progress their ambition a little early by using this code. We hope you enjoy the Bag a Legend! conclusion, part I:
[You no longer require the code to play the story continuation. Enjoy!] edited by h4nchan on 3/3/2020 edited by h4nchan on 3/3/2020
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/19/2020
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Mr. M wrote:
I'm considering sparing all three Veils aspects just for the sake of seeing a different ending. Has anyone already done that? Or any info about sparing Surface Veils or Third City Veils?
You can't spare all three of them; you can only spare the last one you hunt ASSUMING you did not insist on killing of the Vakes when a storylet asks for you to consider sparing one of them.
Surface Veils requires a Favour in High Places, 60 Copper Cipher Rings, and a Stalemate from the Moonlit Chessboard. Given the difficulty of obtaining a Stalemate, this is likely the more difficult option, since Stalemates require both sides have the same score and enough luck with the "Player of Chess" skill check.
I don't remember too much about Third City Veils, but hunting it requires the Jaguar Blade, which must be forged in the Laboratory with 5 Ravenglass Knives, a significant amount of Third City Relics, and the help of Lettice the Mercy (5 Tomb Colonist Favours for those who do not have her as a Feast of the Exceptional Rose Companion). If you do not have a 5-Card Royal Bethlehem Lodging, you also have to spend an Impossible Theorem, which is made from 49 Searing Enigmas at least.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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3/19/2020
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Damn, thanks for all the info. It seems that I need a lot of materials before starting the hunts. I'll consider sparing the Intriguer then.
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/19/2020
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If you do the Mithridacy option to refuse to spare the Vakes, it locks you out from any option to spare the Vake in the future. Failure increases your Mithridacy and lets you try again. I suggest that anyone picking this option think deeply before picking this option, even if there is no promise binding you to kill the Vake.
The Moonlit Chessboard has options that specifically state that they will increase Player of Chess on success, and any successful "Player of Chess" skill check increases the quality as well. If you fail by a large margin (your enemy has 7 points or more), you can pick an option that increases your "Player of Chess" cap by 1 level. For example, you can increase the maximum level possible for Player of Chess from 5 to 6, and so on. Winning a match also increases the skill.
You can raise Mithridacy at the Waswood by trying to create a Narrative: even upon failure, it increases the skill.
As for "mates", I assume you are referring to the chess rewards. You should be able to have different kinds of mates, but for the purposes of this Ambition, you only need any "Victory" mate to kill Surface Veils or a "Stalemate" to make him your friend.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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3/19/2020
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Azothi wrote:
Hattington wrote:
emilyshort wrote:
Hattington, the storylet for sparing your Vake should be in your Lodgings -- if you haven't received a message from the living story and the storylet isn't there, please contact support. (I can confirm that your name *was* on the list for the living story to be delivered to you, but it shows as having triggered.)
Thanks for the heads up, I was out biking this morning but I just got my Vake-Steed and the preview for future FL content! I did indeed get it normally from Lodgings, it might be because I live in an odd timezone so the story fired a little while after I'd had breakfast and left the house. Would you mind sharing the stats and description of your Vake-Steed? This is exciting stuff.
It's on my mantelpiece now, going to try to put it here but not sure if it'll work
Edit: Drat. Hyperlink image sharing isn't working for some reason. Here goes:
"A Winged and Taloned Steed Formerly Mr Veils 1" "Tracked across Parabola and around the Order of Days, and leashed into obedience. When you ride it, its talons are your talons and you shriek with its murderous joy. (This can also be used to improve the defences of your Parabolan Base-Camp, if they are at 3.)" "Dreaded +3; Bizarre +3; Monstrous Anatomy +1; Dangerous +3"
 edited by Hattington on 3/19/2020
-- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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3/19/2020
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How fancy! I'd be very grateful if you would send me screenshots of the option and result for further defending your base-camp. For the Wicked Book.
-- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome.
Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/19/2020
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Skinnyman wrote:
This ambition concluded as well? And you can get a 6 BDR transport item?  Opti's image with the coins, what kind of item is that?
The "bounty" for killing the Vake in its entirety is considered an Affiliation.
Sparing Surface Veils also gives an Affiliation, but I don't know what kind.h
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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3/19/2020
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Does anyone know where "Expertise of the third city" quality comes from, in order to finish researching the jaguar blade?
-- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/AncientDrunkard https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/ModernDrunkard
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3/20/2020
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Jaina wrote:
As a heads-up, you can either eat third city Veils or capture him. The person I know who got there has not yet made her decision.
Can you share their mantelpiece please? The more I hear about Third City Veils the more fascinating it sounds as a pet.
-- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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3/20/2020
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The Curious Watcher wrote:
My guess is that the Bazaar's form of an "IOU" is to prevent you from getting too uncontrollable while also grooming you to be more enmeshed in Bazaar politics to protect your interests as a way to fill the void of Veils's vacancy (Wines gives the warning for a reason).
well, in that case, my destiny of maybe, possibly, becoming one of the masters, has never made more sense!
-- Ochrasy. Monster-Hunter. Dangerous and Watchful, favors the Constables. Robitaille. Persuasive and Shadowy, fond of the Devils. Herr Horst. Seeker of Revenge. Open to all social actions on all accounts. Preferably, send any MW-providing actions to Ochrasy.
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Thanks to Acra, we now have (one method of) sparing Third City Veils!
[spoiler] [/spoiler]
ochrasy wrote:
Azothi wrote:
ochrasy wrote:
after a week working on getting a Tear of the Bazaar, I'm finally hunting the Vake(s).
and I went from 6000+ echoes, to 400. this better be worth it I, uh, have some bad news for you about the incoming costs.
seriously????? I already bought the 60 copper rings, and the boots and all that. I know it requires night-whispers eventually, at least those I have.
d___n, I hope it won't get much more expensive. I still have some stuff to sell, but this game will take my Reported Location of a One-Time Prince of Hell over my dead body
If you already bought all those items, you're set. There aren't any other big costs outside the requirements for each Vake fragment.
-- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome.
Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
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Hattington wrote:
Jaina wrote:
As a heads-up, you can either eat third city Veils or capture him. The person I know who got there has not yet made her decision.
Can you share their mantelpiece please? The more I hear about Third City Veils the more fascinating it sounds as a pet. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Isla%20Sinclair (one of Acra's alts)
-- Cair-Var, a power-hungry lover of Devils and Rubberies Hungry Ego, A morally upstanding citizen
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Optimatum wrote:
How fancy! I'd be very grateful if you would send me screenshots of the option and result for further defending your base-camp. For the Wicked Book.
Apologies and a slight correction: I'd forgotten I had echoed the text for defending the camp on my journal.
"Impermanent guard" "You need the Curator for other purposes some of the time, but when you are in Parabola yourself, it can watch the borders of your camp and terrify your enemies" edited by Hattington on 3/20/2020
-- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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3/25/2020
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So this is one, if not the only, result for sparing Intriguer Veils.
Intriguer Veils is a lot more insane than I gave him credit for. The Neath really is a better place without him around.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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3/26/2020
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Hattington wrote:
Likewise, what is the unique Move in the Great Game provided by Surface Veils? It can only be played immediately before endgame ("Progress on the Board" 7), and it wipes all Strategic Weaknesses. Essentially, it prevents you from losing.
-- Azoth I, the Emissary of Cardinals - A Paramount Presence (not currently accepting new Proteges) Away to where the Chain cannot bind us.
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Hattington wrote:
I was wondering, has anyone used their Third City Veils' Long-Dead Priests of the Red Bird for Third City Expertise and Parabola Research in the Reflection of your Laboratory? Could someone please show the results? Here. It gives 5 Parabolan Research and 5 Expertise of the Third City.
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Meika Osborne, the Reckless Researcher
Leonard West, the Scarlet Informant
Chizuru Nishiooji, the Rueful Ex-Diplomat
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Wow, you can sell Focused Albatrosses and Seven-Throated Warblers at the Bazaar now!
EDIT: Oh, and bone fragments now too! edited by Hattington on 3/29/2020
-- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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Yeah, I think I’ll be eating him. If anyone could use a laugh it’s Eaten.
-- DO you recall how the Hunger began? I'm sorry, my darling, I don't think I can! OUT past the High Wilderness and beyond I fear I've gone Seeking, for of Him I'm fond. --The Elfin Cannibal
Seven scars, seven chains, a soul too stained for Hell, and seven sainted candles burning at the well.
Gone to Grieve on the 17th day of the 7th month, 1897. Will be Vake-hunting next.
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3/21/2020
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I really hope someone 'spares' the Intriguer soon. I'd really like to know what it does before I commit to anything.
I'm really torn because on one hand, killing all of him is great; on another, you can make him your horse; and on a third, you can eat or humiliate him forever
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Jaina wrote:
I really hope someone 'spares' the Intriguer soon. I'd really like to know what it does before I commit to anything.
I'm really torn because on one hand, killing all of him is great; on another, you can make him your horse; and on a third, you can eat or humiliate him forever
Y'know, while I did have some serious internal debate about whether I wanted a spooky eldritch Veils pet or a feral Curator Veils pet? I immediately found the Intriguer Veils more insufferable than the other two.
Maybe it's just the idea of Slowcake's Amanuensis with all the social graces of the Vake, I don't know.
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We have most of the endings, so let me use my real-life Mithridacy skills to convince people to pick "X" option:
1. Killing all three incarnations of Veils lets you publicly brag to everyone that you took down a Master / Vake, a feat that many people tried and failed to accomplish over thousands of years. You kill a Master, you humiliate the other Masters who now have to deal with the inevitable power vacuum, and even the Bazaar is in your debt. For devout anarchists and Liberation supporters, this is probably the most appealing option.
2. For Curator Veils: First, the Vake almost succeeds in hunting you. Then you hunt the Vake, to greater success. Now you ride the Vake like a mere steed. Need I say any more? Curator Veils is a monstrous brute, but one that is the simplest to bring under your control and the only one that can fulfill a person's lifelong dream to fly unhindered over the Neath. As a bonus, it (probably) won't betray you for the LOLs or play unfathomable 4D mind games with you as long as it's fed, so you can rest easier at night if that is a concern.
3. For Third City Veils: This version of Veil, despite creating some of the worst monstrosities in Neathly history that the Masters are still dealing with to this very day, continues to have a massive god-complex and expects to be treated as one. Unlike Curator Veils or Surface Veils, it has no intention to even pretend that it will help you in any capacity or admitting defeat (and only a complete idiot would even consider letting it roam free), so the only option left is to respond with karmic retribution. Third City Veils may be a god, but what is a god to a God-Eater? At the same time, there is nothing more humiliating to a god than being rendered helpless and bound for all eternity. Seekers may appreciate these options the most.
4. For Surface Veils [my guess]: If you sincerely want to be "friends" with Veils and are not simply using it as an excuse to get around Wines's promise, this is likely the option for you. You probably did Veils and the rest of the Masters a favor by purging it of its most volatile aspects, and Veils will finally start acting like a "proper" Master of trade and stratagems for once. Nobody can truly win the Great Game, but by sparing Surface Veils, one would be securing a mutually-beneficial alliance that will let you influence both the Surface and the Neath through its vast network of intelligence and spies. A Master has willingly acknowledged you as its equal, and the Great Game continues in your advantage. Very appealing for players of the Great Game, Master shills, and opponents against the Liberation.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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Chwomp wrote:
The Curious Watcher wrote:
We have most of the endings, so let me use my real-life Mithridacy skills to convince people to pick "X" option:
You make extremely good points. I fear I made the wrong choice for my Monter-Hunter, letting Third City Veils live under a tree. I'm not sure what he did, but I'm not sure that's a harsh enough punishment for it. Do you think there any possibility to get a "rollback" on the choice? Not sure about that kind of "rollback", but if it's any consolation, you've been a big help to the rest of us trying to find all the endings.
-- Azoth I, the Emissary of Cardinals - A Paramount Presence (not currently accepting new Proteges) Away to where the Chain cannot bind us.
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
3/23/2020
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Pretty sure that storylet is only available while Third City Veils is alive, but you could contact support and find out if that's the intended design.
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 ochrasy Posts: 169
3/23/2020
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almost six years later, I did it. I killed the vake. and forgot to echo it, but I never remember to do it anyway. what a great ride it was.
and this final update made me go back to playing FL after almost two years playing it only once or twice a year, so that's fun too. now I shall go and do the many ESs I unlocked and never played. they're really clogging my storylets.
-- Ochrasy. Monster-Hunter. Dangerous and Watchful, favors the Constables. Robitaille. Persuasive and Shadowy, fond of the Devils. Herr Horst. Seeker of Revenge. Open to all social actions on all accounts. Preferably, send any MW-providing actions to Ochrasy.
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
3/23/2020
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PSGarak wrote:
Out of curiosity which Masters have speaking roles on the A Long Road set of Destinies, and which are not mentioned? I'm curious if it's consistent with all possible Ambition endings, and possibly foreshadowing.
The destinies were written years before the Ambitions were completed and were explicitly described as only possible futures, so they are not necessarily consistent.
For the Long Road branch of destinies, it mentions pretty much every current Master by name except Mirrors and Fires (Apples and Hearts are described separately). I guess according to that ending, Fires wasn't able to protect the Fifth City and went down with it. Regardless, the Road destiny explicitly describes the Masters as "too few".
If the Melancholic End-Bringer had it her way, she would not stop at Veils but would keep going until they were all dead. But to save the world from the Liberation of Night and the Reckoning, one unfortunately must make compromises.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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 ochrasy Posts: 169
3/24/2020
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I'm finally done with the epilogue. anyone has an echo for the option in which you say your lawyer will be present?
-- Ochrasy. Monster-Hunter. Dangerous and Watchful, favors the Constables. Robitaille. Persuasive and Shadowy, fond of the Devils. Herr Horst. Seeker of Revenge. Open to all social actions on all accounts. Preferably, send any MW-providing actions to Ochrasy.
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 Azothi Posts: 586
3/24/2020
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Jaina wrote:
I really hope someone 'spares' the Intriguer soon. I'd really like to know what it does before I commit to anything.
I'm really torn because on one hand, killing all of him is great; on another, you can make him your horse; and on a third, you can eat or humiliate him forever Your wish is answered.
-- Azoth I, the Emissary of Cardinals - A Paramount Presence (not currently accepting new Proteges) Away to where the Chain cannot bind us.
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 silurica Posts: 210
3/24/2020
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ochrasy wrote:
I'm finally done with the epilogue. anyone has an echo for the option in which you say your lawyer will be present? Here you go.
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Meika Osborne, the Reckless Researcher
Leonard West, the Scarlet Informant
Chizuru Nishiooji, the Rueful Ex-Diplomat
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 Aro Saren Posts: 124
4/1/2020
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Currently Bone Fragments are rewarded for blowing up Vake into pieces. Yes, this is non-repeatable action. Next week there will be bone investigation in your lab, which will also produce these.
Airags are also rewarded on rare success in Waswood.
-- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Andre%20Alexin Will accept only something interesting.
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 Severinus Posts: 23
4/15/2020
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Does anyone know what the Hinterland scrip is used for yet? Just got it and it seems to have something to do with land but i have no concrete idea for where i will use it.
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
4/15/2020
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Gemma Hawley wrote:
Optimatum wrote:
I can't find the information for Expertise of the Third City, if anyone has that.
Is this what you're looking for, Optimatum? https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Gemma%20Hawley/17990717
(The two previous entries also deal with Lettice, in case that helps at all.)
I already have the option text; the thing I'm missing is the description for the quality itself. (Thanks for digging through your journal, though!)
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 Severinus Posts: 23
4/15/2020
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silurica wrote:
Severinus wrote:
Does anyone know what the Hinterland scrip is used for yet? Just got it and it seems to have something to do with land but i have no concrete idea for where i will use it. With 125 of those, you can buy a Sabre-toothed Skull from the Enthusiast of the Ancient World in the Bone Market. Thanks for the answer! I suppose that means that the once every 4 week reward really is random, will be nice to see what i get the next time.
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 The Curious Watcher Posts: 263
4/16/2020
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For anyone wondering, I have an echo of the monthly Ambition reward here pertaining to claiming the bounty. It looks like my pet theory about the Bazaar possibly attempting to use the bounty as a way to manipulate the Vake-Slayer is accurate.
I got some Nightmare reduction and Hinterland Scrip in return, and I don't remember the rest unfortunately.
-- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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 Hattington Posts: 210
4/17/2020
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And I have the monthly Ambition reward below for sparing Curator Veils. The reward is a bump in Making Waves, 4 Hard Earned Lessons, 1 Night-Whisper...and the thrill of being the terror that flaps in the night.
https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
-- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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 Hattington Posts: 210
4/17/2020
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Does anyone have the rewards for Surface Veils or Third City Veils?
-- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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 Skinnyman Posts: 2133
24 days ago
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Hattington wrote:
W-wait, you can hunt the Vake with What Might Be A Thunderbolt?!
DANGIT! I've spent literal YEARS getting enough Stormy-Eyed to get back in that dragon's noggin and after literally finishing the Ambition I'm still not there yet! You need to go to Mutton Island to increase Stormy-Eyed after unlocking the quality.
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 Wojciech Posts: 52
4 days ago
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Optimatum wrote:
I suggest choosing the reward you prefer story-wise.
Thank you, delicious friend! Well, I've made a particular oath, so I might as well see it through.
-- Wojciech, a Paramount Presense Glassman.
Fnardl, a Vake-Hunting Midnighter.
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 Deathjack999 Posts: 140
4 days ago
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I'm going with killing at the Vake-chunks.
Killing Curator was the Easiest bit, for the next steps I need 4450 Echoes (Enough for the Derringer, five pairs of VS Boots and 60 Copper Cipher Rings)
Whoever decided that dealing with the Intriguer needed 60 Great Game Renown Converters should probably be reprimanded strongly with vigorous finger waggling. edited by Deathjack999 on 5/19/2020
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Ambition Status: Waiting for new content in Bag A Legend.
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 silurica Posts: 210
4/23/2020
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Gemma Hawley wrote:
So, to celebrate my victory, I bought the Veils-Velvet from the Relickers, and I think the flavour text differs now.
This is what it used to read: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Silent_man/17460742
And mine was: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Gemma%20Hawley/18210248
That's interesting, thank you for sharing this! On the topic of text update, my checking on the Fidgeting Writer bore fruits today, and now we know Fires would send you gratitude for dealing with the Writer instead of Veils.
Echo: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Larasati/18252314
Curiously - I'm not sure if this is intentional or not - the Manager seems to think that Veils himself is still responsible for the particular wing in Royal Beth, as shown in the echo after that. edited by silurica on 4/23/2020
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Leonard West, the Scarlet Informant
Chizuru Nishiooji, the Rueful Ex-Diplomat
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 Deathjack999 Posts: 140
27 days ago
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Okay, one Airag closer to completing the Ambition.
Two to go, then I can make 1 Tears.
the Lab Refresh has actually been pretty useful, if I get an Opportunity I use it, if I get a Dream of Roses I Walk the Walls with that.
Edit: Now I only need one more, and I got the Dream of Roses in the same Draw, so that's good. Edit 2: and that's 7 for 7, now all I need is the Tears. Edit 3: I did it! edited by Deathjack999 on 4/27/2020 edited by Deathjack999 on 4/27/2020 edited by Deathjack999 on 4/27/2020
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
4/22/2020
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Hattington wrote:
It's come to my attention that there's an option for preparing a weapon of vengeance and killing Third City Veils if you did Seeking Mr. Eaten nearly all the way to the end but turned back at the last moment, i.e. when you acquired the Seven-Fold Knock which is apparently what you use to make your weapon of vengeance instead of all the fancy-schmancy book learnin'. Does anyone here have the options for making that weapon/killing Third City Veils echoed, by any chance?
You may be conflating two different options. Beginning the research normally requires an Impossible Theorem or a Wink from the Manager, but the Knock can be used instead. Then there is an optional, more expensive option to complete the blade that requires Seeking or the Knock. That gives a different version of the weapon with different killing text.
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Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
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