MissCrumpet
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Spacemarine9 wrote:
BlakeTheDrake wrote:
I find it chilling that someone actually voted 'Good thing' on that poll... *looks around shiftily* There is an anarchist amongst us!
yo what's up
I thought I was advancing it, but comparatively...
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Victor Archibald Xander
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Yes, this talk of whether or not complete Anarchy would actually work is very interesting, but it still doesn't answer the question: What does having a specific score in Advancing the Liberation of the Night unlock?
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Sara Hysaro
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At this time? Nothing. Perhaps it might unlock something in the future, but it's also possible the quality is just for flavour.
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Akernis
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
At this time? Nothing. Perhaps it might unlock something in the future, but it's also possible the quality is just for flavour.
Which just goes to show how good Failbetter is as their job. A quality that is only for flavour and yet I have seen quite a lot of people (myself included) willing to metaphorically shoot themselves in the foot to avoid increasing it.
[spoiler]As far as I can see, the Liberation of Night can be understood in three aspects. Concept, Motive, and Function. (I will try to keep this reasonably objective, despite my intense hostility towards subject matter at hand - warning: there will be spoilers below from Exceptional stories, Destinies, and Sunless Sea.. and a wall of text).
As a concept it has already been explained that the Liberation is essentially a revolution. On the small scale it seeks to bring darkness (literal absence of light, though the metaphorical darkness seems to follow in its wake) and the ultimate end-goal of which is nothing less than the complete eradication and genocide of all light, order, and law.
The motives behind the Liberation are a little more complex. The Judgements, a.k.a. suns/stars, have long ago created a strict hierarchy of all beings in the cosmos, called the Great Chain. This Great Chain is enforced through physical laws, which are a direct and/or indirect manifestation of the the will of the Judgements through the power of sunlight (the exact details of this is still vague).
The Revolutionaries - spearheaded by the Calendar Council, which in turn is led by a mysterious individual that is known only as 'December' - believe that all evil and suffering, or at the least the worst of it, is caused by power and the oppression and tyranny it inherently brings. They believe that true equality and freedom can only ever be achieved if every single being is equal, both between species, and between individuals and that no one should ever hold any power over others or be special in ways other are not - as seen in the Immortality Destiny, where December approves if you either destroy the source of eternal life or gives it freely to everyone, but heavily disapproves if you share it only with a select few, and tries to kill you if you want to take it solely for yourself.
The Revolutionaries has then decided (on behalf of the entire universe, everyone else's opinion be damned) that the only way for everyone to be truly free and equal is by removing the structure of order, law, and power of the Great Chain altogether. And they have then opted for the most extreme and radical solution possible; the complete annihilation of all light and its creators from the cosmos.
Lastly, presuming that December is the mastermind behind the Revolutionaries, or at leas this incarnation of them, it is possible that there is something of a personal motive as well, since it is strongly hinted that December knows the Judgements personally, to the point of being able to name individual stars' motivations and personalities. It seems unlike you would murder a whole race of 'people' several of whom you knew on a personal level unless you had an exceptionally strong grudge or grievance of some manner.
The Liberation functions by creating darkness, total complete darkness. Or Night if you want to be symbolical with the name of the scheme. We see in the "A Darkness in the Air" destinies that it actively suppresses or kills light. You can light fires and set cities ablaze perfectly well, and it will burn, and warm, and kill, but it will give no light at all. Glowing Correspondence symbols (which themselves are manifestations of written sunlight) will gutter and die. Almost all colour will disappear. Almost being the operative word here, for it seems that the Neath colours are somehow immune to this effect. The result is, as one might have expected, total anarchy, with people slaughtering each other in the streets in panic and desperation, and where - ironically - only the strongest survive, unless people are able to work together to survive. In this state of utter chaos the Revolutionaries hope to create a new utopia of their own vision where no one calls another 'master' or holds power over another (themselves neither one would presume).
How the Revolutionaries bring about this all-consuming night is where things gets tricky. We are never show how it comes about but are given vague hints that could be used to find some clues.
- The Revolutionaries need luminosity items to 'Advance the Liberation of Night'. It seems like this would be counter intuitive, but presumably this is to work as 'test subjects'.
- There are mention in one of the Destinies of 'echocasters' and 'irrigo goggles' as tools. These might be 'weapons against the light' on the small scale.
- They make several references to 'the Device'. Which presumably is whatever actually creates this darkness. Though exactly how it functions is entirely unknown at this juncture.
- They are extremely interested in the Cave of the Nadir, where irrigo light glows. It seems that they would use this light as a power source of some kind, perhaps for the device in question.
- In the Calendar Code story, there is an incident of all light disappearing for a few moment on a street corner. When you later investigate a building nearby some of the rooms have a mechanism that entirely shuts down the light in the room. So clearly this technology, for want of a better word, already works on a small scale.
- The last and by far the most mysterious clue is found in the conclusion story of the Season of Revolution and in Sunless Sea. In the former a character can visit an important place for the revolutionaries, where a member of the Calendar Council show you a mosaic of a giant eye and calls it 'our ally in the Place Above' (presumably the High Wilderness a.k.a. space) - In Sunless Sea you find a massive eye in the zee floor, and can dive into the pupil. This will lead you to an unknown location. Outside a window you can see a great completely black sun, which can create utter darkness. You can accept to deliver a message from it to the Neath, namely that 'The Liberation of Night began long ago.' - if I remember the quotes correctly.
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Kaijyuu
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1/21/2017
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What is the Liberation of the Night?
Go ahead, run away
Say it was horrible!
Spread the word; tell a friend
Tell them the tale
Get a pic; do a blog!
Heroes are over with
Look at them, not a word
Hammer, meet nail!
Then I win, then I get
Everything I ever~!
All the cash, all the fame
And social change
Anarchy... that I run!
It's now the Kaijyuu's turn
You people all have to learn
This world is going to burn
Burn
Burn!
mwahahaha
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Grenem
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1/21/2017
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Akernis wrote:
Sara Hysaro wrote:
At this time? Nothing. Perhaps it might unlock something in the future, but it's also possible the quality is just for flavour.
Which just goes to show how good Failbetter is as their job. A quality that is only for flavour and yet I have seen quite a lot of people (myself included) willing to metaphorically shoot themselves in the foot to avoid increasing it.
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It's worth noting that it's entirely possible that the liberation was not started by humanity. I know you offhandedly mentioned it,but its entirely possible that the liberation we see is simply a single cell of a much larger rebellion, and the un-judgement kind of proves it.
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Cthonius
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1/21/2017
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I came to mention the Liberation being older than the Calender Council, was beaten to it.
[spoiler]That being said, additionally in another seasonal tie in, the one before that, iirc the Boatman alludes to the Liberation, and implies knowing of it (and disagreeing with it) well before London. Add in the above, and that by Sunless Skies something IS killing off Judgements, but not confirmed to be human revolutionaries, as well as the revelation that in the High Wilderness there are things that like Mr Eaten need to be thrown down a well by the powers that be, and we've an inkling of the cosmic scale that mirrors the Neath. (I like the space-wells to this as I'd imagine anything thrown down by the Judgements would certainly want them gone.[/spoiler]
Also when does December mention them by name? In the destinies associated?
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Pumpkinhead
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1/21/2017
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Cthonius wrote:
there are things like Mr. Eaten need to be thrown down a well by the powers that be
I thought Mr. Eaten was killed due to schemes by his fellow masters, not the Judgements? Granted, I haven't finished Seeking yet, so I don't know the whole story.
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Grenem
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1/21/2017
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Pumpkinhead wrote:
Cthonius wrote:
there are things like Mr. Eaten need to be thrown down a well by the powers that be
I thought Mr. Eaten was killed due to schemes by his fellow masters, not the Judgements? Granted, I haven't finished Seeking yet, so I don't know the whole story.
Yeah, it's the bazaar that's going to be "shown the light", not mr. eaten.
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suinicide
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1/21/2017
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Grenem wrote:
Pumpkinhead wrote:
Cthonius wrote:
there are things like Mr. Eaten need to be thrown down a well by the powers that be
I thought Mr. Eaten was killed due to schemes by his fellow masters, not the Judgements? Granted, I haven't finished Seeking yet, so I don't know the whole story.
Yeah, it's the bazaar that's going to be "shown the light", not mr. eaten.
Killing the bazaar is probably within the judgements' powers, so the bazaar is just going to die. (But what was done to candles has been compared to black holes by FBG)
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Cthonius
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As Suinicide mentioned, the black hole mention use Eaten as an example of the use of wells. His situation is (probably) different than others, but the end result isn't, at least not too different
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Akernis
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1/21/2017
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Cthonius wrote:
Also when does December mention them by name? In the destinies associated?
No.
[spoiler]In the Calendar Code Exceptional Story. In the library there are for four rooms, each corresponding to one of the seasons, in each room the player can find three books. Each of these books seem linked to a member of the Calendar Council (e.g. the third book in the Winter Room deals with a subject very appropriate for February etc.). The first book in the Winter Room would then by that logic belong to December. The book mentions:
"... the final section mentions the motivations of stars, as if the author knew them personally." - there is no mention of names for the Judgements.[/spoiler]
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Cthonius
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Thank you. Even having done and enjoyed that ES I'd somehow forgotten that.
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Ixc
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9/17/2017
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Well, there are many reasons I'm against the Liberation of Night.
First:
[spoiler] It would kill the Sun. Aside from the obvious effects on Earth, I empathize with the Sun and Bazaar. Unless the Sun's a complete b___d, which I don't know about.
And the whole "thousands of Londoners dying".
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And second, for people who want equality from law, this seems like they are forcing their will on the people rather than freeing them.
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Jithin Prakash
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9/17/2017
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Would anyone know how one can reverse the Advancing the Liberation of Night quality? Londoners should be given a chance at remorse don't you think?
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Koenig
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9/17/2017
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Judging by the name "Sunless Skys" I take it that the "Liberation of the Night" will come whether we want it to or not?
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Waterpls
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9/17/2017
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Well, Parabola Is-Not because Judgements dont want it to. So after Liberation i expect at least invasion from that realm or merging with our reality.
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Akernis
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9/17/2017
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Koenig wrote:
Judging by the name "Sunless Skys" I take it that the "Liberation of the Night" will come whether we want it to or not?
Yes and no.
Firstly, we don't know know that whatever is killing the stars is the Liberation of the Night. Though the implications are certainly that that is the case.
Secondly, Failbetter has explicitly stated that the events of Sunless Skies is a *possible* future, not an inevitable one. In the same way that Sunless Sea can end with various powers (the Revolutionaries, the Khanate, the New Sequence) having a near supreme power in the Neath which they clearly don't have in Fallen London, even though Sunless Sea is technically set prior to FL's timeline.
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Optimatum
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Jithin Prakash wrote:
Would anyone know how one can reverse the Advancing the Liberation of Night quality? Londoners should be given a chance at remorse don't you think?
Fate. One ending of The Empress's Shadow can reduce it slightly, and one ending of Lost in Reflections sets it to zero, or at least reduces it a hell of a lot.
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Teaspoon
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9/17/2017
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Akernis wrote:
Koenig wrote:
even though Sunless Sea is technically set prior to FL's timeline.
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Really? Where's that been stated?
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