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Paramount Presence Changes

Hannah Flynn Administrator Posts: 491 4/17/2020	We're making some adjustments to the way Paramount Presence works in order to make way for some new content that's coming in May. What will change, and how? Specifically, the use of Notability to reach overcapped status. We are removing the current overcapping system because we are introducing new ways to raise the caps on the main stats. It will no longer be necessary to grind Notability to 15. You will still have to reach 12 Notability to change your POSI specialisation. Bizarre, Dreaded, and Respectable items will still assist in gaining Notability, but we are also introducing new uses for those qualities that will give them more varied applications in the game. What will stay the same? All of the benefits for Paramount Presences will be retained. Much of the content will be the same, but the grind will be more varied in future. How will people know I achieved Paramount Presence in its current form, when all is changed? You'll find an option on Unfinished Business in Veilgarden which will grant you a quality to commemorate your achievement. Once it's no longer possible to achieve Paramount Presence in its current state, you will no longer be able to achieve this quality. What if I am working on becoming a Paramount Presence right now? You will keep all progress toward becoming London's Nerves etc. Notability can still be spent on the incoming changes to the content. There will be new, different, and hopefully less repetitive grinds to reach Paramount Presence. Also, if you have over-capped but not converted your over-cap as yet, you will not lose your 215 stat. The changes to Paramount Presence will arrive at the end of May. -- Wields the news canon, aboard the hype train.
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Blaine Davidson Posts: 388 4/17/2020	As awful as this grind is the prospect of that unique quality is too much to ignore. Onward. -- Blaine Davidson, a reserved and sensible woman with a fondness of collecting rarities.
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Tsar Koschei Posts: 202 4/19/2020	I never really got all the fuss about the Notability grind. Sure, it takes a while, but it's very simple to do. For the most part I just converted enormous amounts of tier 3 resources around the carousel, while attending parties, helping out the singer, etc. I mean, is it an especially fun part of the game? No, definitely not. It's a grind. But I don't feel like it's particularly more objectionable than any of the other grinds in the game, of which there are many, first and foremost of course being the echo grind. edited by Tsar Koschei on 4/19/2020 -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Tsar%20Koschei Sanguine Ribbon Society tournament champion. No chess, loitering, friendly sparring, coffee at Caligula's or Affluent Photographer, please.
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 4/18/2020	Blaine Davidson wrote: As awful as this grind is the prospect of that unique quality is too much to ignore. Onward. Have an upvote for your positive view and lack of complains! -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 4/20/2020	Tsar Koschei wrote: I never really got all the fuss about the Notability grind. Sure, it takes a while, but it's very simple to do. For the most part I just converted enormous amounts of tier 3 resources around the carousel, while attending parties, helping out the singer, etc. I mean, is it an especially fun part of the game? No, definitely not. It's a grind. But I don't feel like it's particularly more objectionable than any of the other grinds in the game, of which there are many, first and foremost of course being the echo grind. I agree that the Notability grind is tolerable, but there are reasons it stands out from other grinds. First is the time pressure. Other grinds allow you to take time off, whether to play other stories or participate in seasonal events, to grind something else or even just take a break from the game. Notability is much less lenient. Not only does playing other content risk loss of progress, but even actively grinding can turn into time wasted if you're too slow and hit TtH. Some people also like maintaining Notability for its own sake, where a short distraction requires significant effort to fix. Second is the highly variable difficulty. This matters less for Paramount Presence and more for content that's supposed to be accessible to everyone, but it tends to be memorable as a result. (Especially with two years of Notability grinds for Hallowmas.) But even for an endgame achievement, spending Fate on a few points of BDR still makes the grind exponentially easier. Finally, Notability is more relevant story-wise than money. High-level professions, PoSI specializations, and Paramount Presence are all significant accomplishments reasonably interpreted as character milestones. Echo grinds give mechanical benefits, but how many players consider equipment bonuses relevant to their character's story? How many more players pursue Paramount Presence than Cider or the Heptagoat? edited by Optimatum on 4/20/2020 -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 4/20/2020	Tsar Koschei wrote: I never really got all the fuss about the Notability grind. Sure, it takes a while, but it's very simple to do. For the most part I just converted enormous amounts of tier 3 resources around the carousel, while attending parties, helping out the singer, etc. I mean, is it an especially fun part of the game? No, definitely not. It's a grind. But I don't feel like it's particularly more objectionable than any of the other grinds in the game, of which there are many, first and foremost of course being the echo grind. edited by Tsar Koschei on 4/19/2020 It's time-sensitive - that's the kicker. Time the Healer halves your MW and this means resources and actions might go to waste if someone is late to respond to your social actions - or a card refuses to come up. It's not just patience, its timing and luck over and over again. Additionally, Failbetter overused it even when it didn't make sense (see Hallowmass) and so it became a dreaded headache. For God's sake, my character got married just to have the +2 dreaded. That's how miserable this grind is. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Winthropx Posts: 166 4/18/2020	Cheers to the old guard! -- Bishop Winthrop, a kind-hearted soul A Paramount Presence I accept all social actions His Appearance http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9363-your-characters-appearances.aspx?messageid=229809&Page=10#post#post229809
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The Curious Watcher Posts: 263 4/18/2020	Winthropx wrote: Cheers to the old guard! Time flies, doesn't it? I personally take offence to being called 'ancient' after three years of playing, but nevertheless... ...the honour is all ours until the end of May. Let no one forget what we were, what we are, the foremost of Londoners. edited by The Curious Watcher on 4/18/2020 -- The Thirteenth Master of the Bazaar: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Thirteenth%20Master%20of%20the%20Bazaar The Silent Vake Hunter: GONE NORTH The Ravenous Wanderer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Ravenous%20Wanderer The Melancholic End-Bringer: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Melancholic%20End-Bringer The Lethal Nightmare: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/The%20Lethal%20Nightmare
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Lady Karnstein Posts: 278 4/18/2020	While I will miss Caroline being one of the few Paramount Presences, I am glad more people will be able to enjoy the benefits. I am curious I confess about how overcapping will work. -- Lady Caroline Karnstein, The Moral Hedonist (Description) Infamous writer, artist, and courtesan. Unrepentant Invert. Hesperidean. Paramount Presence, Correspondent, Nocturnal. Poet Laureate of the Neath, Ambassador to Arbor
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 4/17/2020	I'm jealous, but also glad it's changing. Notability was the worst grind ever. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 4/18/2020	The unique title is beautiful, by the way. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Waterpls Posts: 326 25 days ago	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Oh boy, I do regret having neglected my grinds for so long. I need two more qualities, and about 1100 scraps. Time to go back to grinding full-time. Can someone remind me where you change your specialisation? I can't find it anymore, especially with the location reshuffle making everything a bit harder to locate. Your Social Engagements -> Attend to Matters of Society! -> A reputation... Another Way -- Long grinds: Heptagoat 100/180; Cider Done; Correspondence 21/21; Paramount 4/4.
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Rachel Posts: 26 22 days ago	Well, this just throws a wrench into the long-term plans I've been making. Saving my salon-based scheming, waiting for specific events in the hope of getting some (non-fate) higher BDR items, and other such things for the notability grind. None of which will be in place by the end of May, much less the grinds for the various London's body parts qualities. Oh well. Adapt, adopt, and improve. Old plans die, new ones must be made. Hey-ho. -- My profile
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Desirée Posts: 64 4 days ago	If anyone is doing London's Sinew by the My Friends route: feel free to send me a calling card! After the end of may, I am open to almost all social actions (except for duels and things that raise nightmares). https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/desir%C3%A9e edited by Desirée on 5/18/2020
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NotaWalrus Posts: 221 3 days ago	Snort wrote: “Unfortunately, seems like Marrow is the one that cannot be gotten at short notice. You can marry in an emergency for Blood or rope in a prodigious amount of people for Sinew. Arguably, even Nerves can be gotten by rushing as many chess games as possible and then spending a few days with the Boatman. ” None of those seem like short notice things. Nerves and Sinew, which I lack, seem to require the assistance of numbers of people badly exceeding those with whom I have any contact. Drat. Friendly reminder that while calling cards give 1 influence, having proteges/patrons give 7, drastically reducing the amount of people you need to rope in for influence. Also, hot take: Tying a paramount presence requirement to influence was a bad idea.My contacts list is now hopelessly cluttered. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/NotaWalrus Ignacious, the Fluid Professor, he will accept most social invitations, including boxed cats and affluent photographers (but only betrayals), though he is absent-minded and might take more time than entirely necessary. He apologizes.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 757 3 days ago	Winthropx wrote: It took me almost 3/4’s of a year to get Paramount Presence. It’s super impressive to see all the people grinding it out in only a few weeks. It's usually backed by several months of building up Scheme, having a ton of wealth to burn on stuff like the lodging card MW options, plus having most of the requirements already done (a lot of people went for stuff like SotC 21 or getting all 3200 scrap items long before PP was a thing). For insance, Skinnyman posted that he used 86 Orphanage invitations and 13 Bazaar auctions to get from 0 to 4, and he had all the requirements already. I was halfway there and had put off the grind for a while, so it took me 35 Salon invitations to get the last two - which also masks the fact that I spent a few months grinding scraps some time ago, for Marrow. -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Lady Karnstein Posts: 278 3 days ago	My Salon Scheme was 77 when I started for PP -- Lady Caroline Karnstein, The Moral Hedonist (Description) Infamous writer, artist, and courtesan. Unrepentant Invert. Hesperidean. Paramount Presence, Correspondent, Nocturnal. Poet Laureate of the Neath, Ambassador to Arbor
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Julius de Poisson Posts: 35 4/19/2020	Hmm.. I am one step from Paramount Presence because I've been going for eligibility in all 12 options. So far I've chosen London's Blood by dreams, London's Marrow by law and crime, and London's Nerves via the Correspondence though I qualified for all. Still yet to acquire London's Sinew as I only have the option to release the Night. Which I might go for anyway, but it would spoil my (admittedly just for vanity) strategy not to have the other choices. I'll still need ~30 more influence and ~40 more bloody ribbons though... So I guess I'm going to be making friends - and possibly killing them - over the next few weeks! If anyone is interested in either (or both) of those things please drop me a line, I would be most pleased to make your acquaintance -- Zee captain, adventurer, collector. A friend to the Rubbery. Vive la révolution! All social actions welcome. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Julius%20de%20Poisson
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Raccoonajr Posts: 105 4/19/2020	I just have Sinew left as well, so if anyone wants to trade calling cards.... I’m also up for friendly duels to the death as well. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Raccoonajr
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silurica Posts: 210 4/20/2020	NotaWalrus wrote: Well. I guess I have to make some acquaintances fast now. If anyone is also going for the influence requirement and would like a mutually beneficial arrangement for that, send me a calling card. Tip: For Influence requirement, you can also arrange a patronage relationship, which gives 7 x Influence at once. The only prerequisite for patronage is both parties are acquainted to each other and agreed to the arrangement, everything else doesn't matter. -- Meika Osborne, the Reckless Researcher Leonard West, the Scarlet Informant Chizuru Nishiooji, the Rueful Ex-Diplomat
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yetanotherone Posts: 135 4/17/2020	Ancient Regime, eh? Spices. The Ministry of the Upper River...things are afoot, maybe. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/AncientDrunkard/18201834 Should this have a rank "1"? https://i.imgur.com/5YkEQnL.png -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/AncientDrunkard https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/ModernDrunkard
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EJ Hamacher Posts: 31 4/17/2020	To the old guard! -- Meditationes est perscrutari occulta; contemplationes est admirari perspicua. Dr. E.J. Hamacher: Esoteric Philologist; Midnighter John Claverling: Seeker; Murderer; Reprobate
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Quidam Posts: 51 4/18/2020	I am confused. I don't understand what is being changed. My situation is thus: I am An Invisible Influence. I have reached Shadowy 215 by grinding my Nobility (it was not pleasant). Now I am waiting to reach the conditions necessary to fulfill my objective with the Ambitious Barrister and, by doing so, obtaining London's Marrow. This would eventually make me a Paramount Presence. What will change from that chain of event in the future? Also, since I'm here, a more general question: Do I need all four of London's body part (Sinew, Blood, Marrow and Bones) to become a Paramount Presence right now, that is to say before the end of May? -- Just another face in the crowd https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Quidam A hunger, a curse, a question https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Limos
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Meradine Heidenreich Posts: 468 4/18/2020	I have three out of four and am at Notability 14 for the last one, so here's hoping I squeak through under the old system... -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Meradine%20Heidenreich The Starveling kit Gobbled up the bit of cheese on my tray .. "O Weh!" No plant battles, please.
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Jules Asimov Posts: 95 4/21/2020	Thank god this is changing. This grind always was what drove me away from the game for ages at a time. I just couldn't stand the boredom and lack of a visible goal. So what if I don't get this newfangled title? So long as it doesn't unlock some grand and mysterious content, I'll be perfectly OK. Cause, you know, when I grind up, I'll be able to have fun. -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Jules%20Asimov
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Snort Posts: 92 26 days ago	Soooooo ... I might make it by the end of May. All I need do is make a LOT of acquaintances and do London's Sinew, recap my Watchful, and do London's Nerves by the end of May. The last bit will be dicey, but it's something to strive for. So I'll be firing off calling cards in all directions while grinding. If any of you are amenable, I would dearly love to send one to you. edited by Snort on 4/26/2020 -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Snort
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MidnightVoyager Posts: 858 26 days ago	Catherine Raymond wrote: Or the Heptagoat for that matter, though I believe the total amount of Echoes required for a Heptagoat is significantly less. It isn't. In fact, it is more expensive than cider. -- Midnight Voyager - A blood-cousin to predators. Collector of beasts. Affably mad.
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Her Ladyship The Ydell Sovereign Posts: 76 26 days ago	It would be nice if we could remove deactivated accounts from out list.... -- -House of Ydell- It's only when you cannot hear the bats, that is when the bats are coming. This is the only advice I have to give. {Feel free to request my presence for any Correspondent needs, plant battles, duels, chess, whatever. It might take me a moment to a day to respond, but I will.)
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 25 days ago	Catherine Raymond wrote: Her Ladyship The Ydell Sovereign wrote: It would be nice if we could remove deactivated accounts from out list.... But you can do that! Simply go to "Account Settings" (at the very top of the page if you use a desktop machine, or go to "Account" at the bottom of the movable sidebar on the left if you use a phone or tablet). In "Account/Account Settings" look for your "Contacts" and click the "x" beside the ones you wish to eliminate. That's it! Now, unless the person or FBG has deactivated the account (so that it's marked DEACTIVATED) you may not know whether a user has just stopped playing FL and doesn't intend to return; that's a different problem. If I understand correctly, Her Ladyship is referring to removing deactivated accounts from Acquaintances, which—as those accounts no longer exist to receive the social action—requires contacting support. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 757 25 days ago	Oh boy, I do regret having neglected my grinds for so long. I need two more qualities, and about 1100 scraps. Time to go back to grinding full-time. Can someone remind me where you change your specialisation? I can't find it anymore, especially with the location reshuffle making everything a bit harder to locate. -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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