MrUnderhill89
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7/22/2019
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Today marks the day we've all been waiting for after one week of campaigning, fixing, and agitating: the day we can choose our candidates. And while the arguments over the merits of each candidate have been delightful and informative, it's time to get down to what I think is the real reason for our choices this year:
The loot.
Mrs. Plenty (Genuine Rubbery Lumps: Persuasive +8, Bizzare +1)
Madame Shoshana (The Neathy Tarot: Shadowy +8, Dreaded +1)
Virginia (Devilbone Talons: Watchful +8, Respectable +1)
This year's election items are based around the Gloves category, which is welcome as it's a rather underrepresented slot compared to, say, Weapons or Companions. Unlike past years, however, none of this year's selections are best-in-slot for any of the four base stats, even discounting Fate-locked and Renown items: you can buy equivalents for each straight from the Bazaar. This is somewhat unfortunate for Dangerous players, as currently Dangerous gloves stop at a measly +5 bonus with Spider-chitin Gauntlets. That said, min-maxers can breathe a sigh of relief and choose whichever candidate they like, though as a helpful reminder, you can always change candidates even after getting the item you want.
In my view, Virginia has a slight advantage over the other candidates, as the alternate best-in-slot Watchful glove, the Insatiable Glove, has minor pluses and minuses that the Talons do not, diluting its usefulness somewhat. There are also currently no other Respectable gloves, so if you care about that specifically rather than total BDR, Virginia is your first choice.
Madame Shoshana takes second place. While Lenguals make her Shadowy bonus obsolete, her +1 Dreaded is a feature only shared with the Feast of the Rose-exclusive Hand of Glory.
Unfortunately, Mrs. Plenty's item has little going for it. The persuasive bonus is matched by the Twelve-carat Diamond Ring which also confers a slight Dangerous bonus, and the aforementioned Lenguals give the same Bizzare bonus. Since neither of these are Fate-locked, you are probably better off with one of the other candidate's items.
So tell us, what are your thoughts on this year's Election items?
edited by MrUnderhill89 on 7/22/2019
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Diptych
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7/24/2019
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I believe the standard suits of Neathy playing cards are Hats, Bats, Cats and Rats. Whether these carry over to the Neathy Tarot, I cannot say.
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silurica
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7/26/2019
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Vladison Ianchester wrote:
And what does it mean "Can't use the ring"? Like actually blocks the progression of the story os is not allowed for the part that would need high persuasive?
A more straightforward answer:
[spoiler]Winking Isle of SMEN infamously requires you to get rid of significant amount of belongings in order to progress in it. The long list of items forbidden in the Isle includes the diamond ring, notably the only piece of equipment not allowed in the place.[/spoiler]
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Jolanda Swan
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7/22/2019
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Well, Dreaded is I think the only attribute you might need to raise high (for use in heists) so anothe point for Soshana's item. Loved the writing too.
Then again, I might be biased as she is my chosen candidate.
edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/23/2019
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eaglewiz
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7/23/2019
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The lumps do have a use the ring doesn't - namely there is a ...situation where you can't progress if you own the ring, making the lumps a better persuasive glove if you happen to be interested in a certain question. A fitting use, considering the origin of the gloves.
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Vorwoda Hawksby
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7/22/2019
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I thought the Talons were the best, too. But I think the choices of attributes for all of them are off.
The only one that makes sense is that the Rubbery Lumps are Bizarre! But they ought to be either Shadowy (their origins are) or Dangerous (biting them hurts your teeth, her distributor says).
Tarot cards as Dreaded? Maybe. But Shadowy? Shouldn't they be Watchful (assuming they actually foretell the future). Making them Shadowy and dreaded reinforces their fraudulent nature, so I suppose that one is actually spot on.
Devilbone Talons as Watchful? Really ought to be Dangerous! Your wearing still-twitching armored claws, for crying out loud! And Respectable? I'm glad that was chosen, but both Dreaded and Bizarre make a lot more sense.
I'm happy with things as they are, I just thought that the attribute assignments were oddly matched to the nature of the items in most cases.
[EDIT: Typo.]
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Shaerys
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7/22/2019
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The Devil's Own Fingers appear to exactly resemble my Chelatic Mitten, which put me right off them. I found myself unable to resist the lure of the Tarot: a focal reminder of all 77 of the major arcana will surely be of use in my more arcane contemplations.
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Vavakx Nonexus
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7/25/2019
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Diptych wrote:
I believe the standard suits of Neathy playing cards are Hats, Bats, Cats and Rats. Whether these carry over to the Neathy Tarot, I cannot say. In fact, they do not - Shoshana's tarot includes Coins and Staves, as well as Cups (I presume there is also some number of Swords in the deck, though we've never seen any).
Sidenote: The Enigmatic Augur's deck differs a little, in that respect - his features Chalices and Wands, as well as Aces and Knaves (Jacks), the latter two being pretty clearly derived from playing cards, while Shoshana's uses Cups and Staves, alongside the more mystical Pages.
edited by Vavakx Nonexus on 7/25/2019
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xKiv
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7/25/2019
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Vladison Ianchester wrote:
And what does it mean "Can't use the ring"? Like actually blocks the progression of the story os is not allowed for the part that would need high persuasive?
This is an unwise question.
(that was a hint)
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Catherine Raymond
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8/7/2019
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Vavakx Nonexus wrote:
Diptych wrote:
I believe the standard suits of Neathy playing cards are Hats, Bats, Cats and Rats. Whether these carry over to the Neathy Tarot, I cannot say. In fact, they do not - Shoshana's tarot includes Coins and Staves, as well as Cups (I presume there is also some number of Swords in the deck, though we've never seen any).
Sidenote: The Enigmatic Augur's deck differs a little, in that respect - his features Chalices and Wands, as well as Aces and Knaves (Jacks), the latter two being pretty clearly derived from playing cards, while Shoshana's uses Cups and Staves, alongside the more mystical Pages.
edited by Vavakx Nonexus on 7/25/2019
Sounds as though Mme. Shoshana's tarot has the conventional Tarot suits that Waite et al. would recognize; Coins (or Pentacles), Staves (or Wands), Swords and Cups. Pages are a kind of court card in the Tarot--not a suit.
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Anne Auclair
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7/23/2019
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Though thinking about it, the fact the rubbery lumps are a permanent item suggests that Mrs. Plenty is giving you a lifetime supply. That's a bit more generous, but still on the cheap side.
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silurica
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7/23/2019
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I voted for Shoshana's tarot cards since it's my favorite one flavor-wise and Leonard can use the pair of gloves that came with it to cheat at cards, but I think in term of mechanical usefulness, Plenty's is the neatest one. The alternative to the rubbery lump gloves is a 350 E item - second most expensive pair of gloves in the Bazaar - making the rubbery lump gloves more accessible to newer players (or if you happen to RP a poor person, like I do with one of my characters). The rubbery lump gloves is also nice to have if you plan to go to a certain island sometime in the future as eaglewiz alluded.
I have to note, however, that these are minor differences and I urge everyone to pick the pair of gloves that tickles their fancy the most.
edited by silurica on 7/23/2019
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Doctor_Static
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7/24/2019
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Oh, and BTW, all :: Very Interesting, that the Neath Tarot of Madame Mayor-to-be Shoshana has 77 Cards, to the surface standard tarot's 78 -- and, furthermore - the Neath tarot is ALL Trump - "Major Arcana" - while the staid surface tarot has but 22 such, numbered 0, 1, 2 - to 21 . . . Signify these distinctions as you will - i'm mostly curious if the four suits, of Neath card, align to the old school - Cups (Diamonds) - Coins (Clubs) - Swords (Spades) - Wands (Hearts) . . . Any experts in forum, or on call, perhap>>>?
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MrCandles
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7/24/2019
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Doctor_Static wrote:
Oh, and BTW, all :: Very Interesting, that the Neath Tarot of Madame Mayor-to-be Shoshana has 77 Cards, to the surface standard tarot's 78 -- and, furthermore - the Neath tarot is ALL Trump - "Major Arcana" - while the staid surface tarot has but 22 such, numbered 0, 1, 2 - to 21 . . . Signify these distinctions as you will - i'm mostly curious if the four suits, of Neath card, align to the old school - Cups (Diamonds) - Coins (Clubs) - Swords (Spades) - Wands (Hearts) . . . Any experts in forum, or on call, perhap>>>?
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Neath Tarot just have no 0.
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