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Anne Auclair
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10/1/2016
Although it hasn’t been the subject of a single FL story and only one Sunless Sea story (A Drop of Darkness), Darkdrop Coffee has an impressive amount of lore attached to it.

First, Darkdrop Coffee can be found and purchased in up to six ports, the highest spread of any trade commodity. It is grown and sold in Port Carnelian and Adam’s Way, the Elder Continent being the main producer and exporter. Khaganian merchants resell these Elder beans, only slightly marked up, in the Copper Quarter’s Licensed Exchange. Far to the east, the Pentecost Apes cultivate and brew their own version, which the Empire’s Mandarin’s trade for London wine. In the Iron Republic’s House of Milks, hot coffee (which transforms back into beans?) drips from the scaled teats of crucified dragons (love this). And for those who need some beans but don’t want to visit any of those prior ports, it is always available for purchase at London’s Wolfstack Exchange.

Second, not only is Darkdrop Coffee widely sold, but it can be very profitably resold in up to three places: London, Irem, and Vienna. Provided you have a large enough hold and do a minimal amount of planning, it is impossible to lose money trading in coffee. Its importance can be seen in the fact that six out of ten trade routes identified in The Guide for the Unterzee Merchant at some point involve the coffee trade. When you consider that this guide neglects the direct Adam’s Way-Irem trade route, it rises to seven out of eleven.

Third, Darkdrop Coffee is extremely potent and subtly supernatural. It’s described as having "all the fire of Hell, and all the aroma of Heaven." In Fallen London the effect of drinking it pure is likened to black magic and it gives you extra actions at the cost of wounds. When you capture a bag of beans in Sunless Sea, one of your officers jokes that you can fuel the ships boiler with it (maybe you could?). The Iremi consider Darkdrop Coffee Parabola Linen’s antiphon and charge a sack of beans for a visit to the House of the Amber Sky. The Venturer purchases seven bags to keep himself warm in the depths of space. A sample of the coffee even briefly cheers up the Café Ferstel’s determinedly depressed Melancholic Proprietor!

Fourth, it is widely embedded as a sustaining feature of the game’s larger world. The monks who run Adam’s Way’s Animescence Hospital are implied to fund their efforts by producing Darkdrop Coffee in a manner not dissimilar from Kopi Luwak (only with giant sloths instead of cute tree cats). Caligula’s Coffee House is one of the major centers of London's social life, frequented by a broad clientele ranging from Parliamentarians to Revolutionaries (no doubt the Neath’s constant darkness requires the constant imbibing of strong pick-me-ups). The Iremi Riddlefishers have an insatiable and inscrutable demand for Darkdrop beans – perhaps as a means of self-protective medication or possibly because the beans have absorbed the Mountain’s energy and are thus valuable to the Fingerkings. On the surface Darkdrop Coffee is sold to fashionable establishments like the Café Ferstel in Vienna, which are heavily frequented by Revolutionaries. Said Viennese agitators are particularly active at night, smashing street lights and spreading graffiti, and strong coffee no doubt helps them in these activities (it’s notable that their description, “the coffee-house agitators of Vienna” explicitly identifies them with coffee). Lastly the Merchant Venturer needs seven bags of Darkdrop Coffee in order to explore the frigid High Wilderness. So the trade in Darkdrop Coffee funds efforts to combat a dread disease, warms London’s bourgeoisie and revolutionaries, helps the Iremi Riddlefishers, fuels the struggles of the surface revolutionaries, and aids the exploration of outer space. Quite an impressive range.
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Estelle Knoht
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10/1/2016
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Vavakx Nonexus
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10/1/2016
And an unexpected tribute to the quality of FL's lore, where even a cup of coffee combines several important lore points of the world. Stories so closely interconnected are rare, and FBG deserves credit for making such a wonderful world.

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Anne Auclair
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11/28/2016
TheThirdPolice wrote:
Another interesting connection to blood: nidah is the Hebrew word for the ritual state of menstruation. I am aware that Nidah means something else in the game lore, though I haven't encountered it myself except for snippets like this one. But with the Mountain so closely linked to Judeo-Christian myth, it seems unlikely to be a coincidence.
edited by TheThirdPolice on 11/27/2016

Nidah, I believe, is the capital or central kingdom of the Presbyterate. Or it might be some holy site or citadel of Presbyter power. All I know is that some people wanted to conquer it and were apparently fighting the Presbyter to do so.

Anyway, a reference to menstruation is not very surprising. Stone has been repeatedly referred to as a woman after all, the Sun and Bazaar's daughter. Perhaps her wound isn't really a wound in a break the skin sense, but rather a curse of unending menstruation, with the Elder Continent serving as the sanitary pad absorbing her flow.

Continuing this thought, I think we've all made a mistake of conflating the Mountain's blood and light as equally "vital." In Sunless Sea you can encounter a flower encased in glass, growing out of a solid rock. You ask how that can be and you're informed that the flower was planted close to the Mountain and basked a Summer in its light. Consequently, "[w]hat need has it for water, now? Or air?" Clearly the Mountain's light has stimulating yet preservative powers. Absorbing a considerable quantity of said light made that flower immortal and invulnerable.

Stone's blood appears to have very different properties from her light. When they plant a tree in the blood soaked soil of Adam's Way, the tree goes from sprouting seed to dead husk within the space of a single day. The tree's life is not enhanced in any way, it is merely sped up. Similarly, bathing in the Mountain's blood apparently causes undesirable growth and sailing a metal or wooden ship up the Red River will result in the hull corroding away. Stone's blood accelerates everything that absorbs or comes into contact with it, but it doesn't add any new life force and certainly does not preserve. The best it does is concentrate life, packing a lengthy period of life into a much shorter period of time.

Now, everything in the Elder Continent has absorbed a certain measure of light and blood. Clearly there's some very intricate interplay between these two conflicting emanations. Darkdrop Coffee would be no exception, but from its effects drunk pure - it really speeds you up, it really hurts you, drink too much and you will obviously die - I think it has more blood than light. Further supporting this is the Almost Dead Man, who calls the coffee you give him "blood of the Elder Continent." So the boost you get from Darkdrop Coffee comes at the expense of your future life. You're essentially taking an hour or five hours or whatever from your future and giving it to yourself in the present. If you're a light infused immortal this simply wouldn't be a problem. In fact, given that everyone but the Presbyters family can only live one thousand years by holy edict, taking time from your limitless but unrealizable future and giving it to your finite present is incredibly smart, a good way of making those one thousand years really count. It's no different from running up a bill in the knowledge that you'll never, ever have to pay it, so you might as well get everything you can. But for ordinary mortals, well...the bill will eventually come due.
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Lady Sapho Byron
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10/23/2016
Anne Auclair wrote:

One wonders though, what would happen if the city's Darkdrop Coffee supply were ever cut off?


The complete collapse of civilization in London, most likely.

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Estelle Knoht
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10/2/2016
Anne Auclair wrote:

lol, I'm actually hoping that something like that happens in Sunless Sky. If a cup of Darkdrop Coffee can keep you warm and pick-you-up even in the High Wilderness, it would become an even more popular beverage, no? The Unterzee is filled with taverns, ale houses and tea shops. The High Wilderness I hope will be loaded with coffee houses.


Oh ye of little coffeehouse knowledge. These places are not going to serve coffee, real or fake or mundane or supernatural so much as coronary-inducing Bumpkin Spices FrappuEchoes™.

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10/9/2016
Anne Auclair wrote:
You are stirring your coffee when [an unorthodox correspondence symbol] forms, quite spontaneously, in the cream. There is a gout of scalding coffee-steam! You scream and leap back: your hands are badly burnt.

A Mr Eaten related correspondence symbol forming in a glass of Darkdrop Coffee. Do things like that normally happen when seeking the Name or is this occurrence fairly unique?


It happens while you are stirring the coffee, so I interpreted it as your subconscious drawing the symbol. Also could've just been brewed with well water...
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Anne Auclair
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10/7/2016
The Master wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
You are stirring your coffee when [an unorthodox correspondence symbol] forms, quite spontaneously, in the cream. There is a gout of scalding coffee-steam! You scream and leap back: your hands are badly burnt.

A Mr Eaten related correspondence symbol forming in a glass of Darkdrop Coffee. Do things like that normally happen when seeking the Name or is this occurrence fairly unique?


It doesn't say it's darkdrop coffee, it just says coffee, and judging by the fact that darkdrop coffee is pretty rare I highly doubt it is.

It's not rare, it's one of the Neath's main commercial products, and London imports a lot of it. It's just pure Darkdrop Coffee that is difficult for Londoners to get their hands on (and at 50 Echoes a sack its not hard to see why).

When your character drinks the action giving, "pleasure in pain" Darkdrop Coffee, they grind some beans into a very fine powder and then drink it with "only a little water." That stuff everyone drinks at Caligula's? A very watered down version. After all, since Darkdrop beans are far more potent than their Surface counterparts, London coffee makers would need fewer beans per cup to deliver a satisfying product. Also, drinking Darkdrop too straight is rather dangerous - as in, if someone actually brewed enough pure Darkdrop Coffee they could kill themselves or other people with it.
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Koh Kai Ying
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10/8/2016
Anne Auclair wrote:
You are stirring your coffee when [an unorthodox correspondence symbol] forms, quite spontaneously, in the cream. There is a gout of scalding coffee-steam! You scream and leap back: your hands are badly burnt.

A Mr Eaten related correspondence symbol forming in a glass of Darkdrop Coffee. Do things like that normally happen when seeking the Name or is this occurrence fairly unique?


It normally happens if you go to a snobby cafe with skilled baristas

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Diptych
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10/1/2016
A fitting tribute to one of our most historically important, and persistently delicious, pick-me-ups.

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maricolous
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10/2/2016
Also I'm under the impression** that the Tireless Mechanic uses darkdrop coffee to stay awake in the face of his dream snake problem. Truly a magical concoction if one can entirely avoid sleep for months on end with it.

**under the impression because, well, he only says he drinks a "draught" to stay awake. No other information is given, I believe.

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TheThirdPolice
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11/27/2016
Anne Auclair wrote:
When you give a bag of Darkdrop Coffee beans to the Almost Dead Man in the Undercrow you get quite the reaction:
The Almost Dead Man wrote:
The dimness of age and mushroom smoke fades from his eyes. "Ah...blood of the Elder Continent. All that is missing is a bright horizon, sapphired streams, and Nidaheans to kill."

This is a very old man with an almost hatched moth in his chest, swinging between drugged up stupor and regret filled agony. Just the sight and smell of the coffee makes him feel young again, however briefly. He even gets up out of his sickbed to rummage around his things in order to produce an artifact to pay you with! He's that energized and grateful!

His description of the coffee as "blood of the Elder Continent" has clear religious connotations. Stone, the Mountain of Light, is the god of the southern landmass. It is a wounded deity, bleeding constantly. In Sunless Sea you see Stone's blood in the Red River. In Flint I think you even get to visit Stone's wound.* This suggests that the vitality found in Darkdrop Coffee comes not only from Stone's supernatural light, but also from the divine blood that has been seeping into the continents water and soil for thousands of years.


Another interesting connection to blood: nidah is the Hebrew word for the ritual state of menstruation. I am aware that Nidah means something else in the game lore, though I haven't encountered it myself except for snippets like this one. But with the Mountain so closely linked to Judeo-Christian myth, it seems unlikely to be a coincidence.
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7/14/2017
Tystefy wrote:
I can buy 80 tons of Darkdrop Coffee in Sunless Sea.

But I gotta grind in an extremely rare, limited, and difficult way to get ONE CUP.


What can we say, brewing the perfect coffee cup is an art.

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Morkan Kassington
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10/23/2016
Anne Auclair wrote:
One wonders though, what would happen if the city's Darkdrop Coffee supply were ever cut off?


Life goes on if yer' not posh enough to drink coffee. Or tell the difference between beans, bat droppings and rat droppings.

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Koh Kai Ying
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10/24/2016
Barista should be a top tier profession, I say

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Isaac Zienfried
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7/14/2017
Professor Strix wrote:
What can we say, brewing the perfect coffee cup is an art.

Do you know how many people I know who think coffee is just pouring boiling water onto pre-ground beans through a paper filter? I actually had someone have the gall to say to me "tea's tricky, but coffee's supposed to taste awful." I was agog, I was aghast. There's just as much fine preparation in coffee as in tea, if not more. My coffee setup is far from high-grade or expensive, but I can still manage a proper cup of espresso.

Also, the economy between FL and SS doesn't always relate perfectly, in my experience... although it's pretty close considering the two games have vastly different focus and scope. It's worth pointing out you're usually buying in considerable bulk in SS, whereas in FL you're buying things for more personal consumption. The reason you can buy so much coffee in SS is 1) buying in bulk almost always results in the price being cheaper per unit, and 2) successful professional zee-captains make a lot more money than your average FL player, but also face far greater risk of permanent, true death.

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Tystefy
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7/14/2017
I can buy 80 tons of Darkdrop Coffee in Sunless Sea.

But I gotta grind in an extremely rare, limited, and difficult way to get ONE CUP.

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10/23/2016
maricolous wrote:
As a person who drank four cups of very strong coffee in quick succession because of "it's Art, dude"***, I can assure you it would be terribly unpleasant. Much grinding of teeth and moaning on the floor followed from that particular experience...

***maybe it was a dare. Just maybe smile

For you, it was a dare. For me it was Tuesday (morning).

Although the stimulating effects of Darkdrop are instantly recognisable to any coffee-drinker, Anne's quote about the Scrimshander historians is the only reference I know off that hints at caffeine dependence, which every coffee-drinker knows only too well.

For whatever reason, Londoners don't seem to drink Darkdrop often enough to experience grouchiness in the morning before their first cup, or a headache after too much abstinence, or the soreness, trembling and heart palpitations after too many.
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Anne Auclair
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10/23/2016
Frederick Metzengerstein wrote:

For you, it was a dare. For me it was Tuesday (morning).

Although the stimulating effects of Darkdrop are instantly recognisable to any coffee-drinker, Anne's quote about the Scrimshander historians is the only reference I know off that hints at caffeine dependence, which every coffee-drinker knows only too well.

For whatever reason, Londoners don't seem to drink Darkdrop often enough to experience grouchiness in the morning before their first cup, or a headache after too much abstinence, or the soreness and heart paloitations after too many.

Or perhaps they drink it just enough to avoid the worst of those symptoms? Caligula's Coffee House always seems pretty crowded, especially in the morning. I doubt it's the only coffee house/shop/cafe in London - just the most famous and the writer's go to place for all scenes coffee related. Londoners also drink plenty of tea and tea can have lots of caffeine as well.

One wonders though, what would happen if the city's Darkdrop Coffee supply were ever cut off?

In Port Carnelian, giving the native tigers increased economic rights results in them out-competing the Khaganian merchants in the acquisition of local necessities like coffee. The result is angry protests outside the Governor's mansion by cranky Khaganians waving empty coffee mugs:
"You'll just have to pay more! You can compete perfectly well without price controls."

You spend days whittling away opposition in the Foreign Office, meeting with merchants, citizens, and foreign agents, and drafting stacks of legislation. But the final results of your labours are minimal. The Port isn't ready for a radical expansion of tiger rights. What ground you do gain is nevertheless precious to the tigers. Spices, silks, and certain enlivening beverages, which had been legally denied them before, are now freely available.

They take full advantage of their new-found economic freedoms, buying in such bulk that scarcities are created in the Port. This sparks outrage from the Khaganians, who protest your measures by rallying outside Heartscross House and waving empty mugs – but progress cannot be stopped.

Presumably the same thing would happen in the Fifth City.
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10/30/2016
Good question! My theory, building on Anne's theory, is that Darkdrop Coffee are infused with Stone's essence. Because Stone is the daughter of the Sun, things associated with her will not be rejected by sunlight.

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Anne Auclair
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7/14/2017
Tystefy wrote:
I can buy 80 tons of Darkdrop Coffee in Sunless Sea.

But I gotta grind in an extremely rare, limited, and difficult way to get ONE CUP.

Sacks, not tons - the exact quantities are a bit vague. In Sunless Sea you sell your sacks of coffee on the Wolfstack Exchange, presumably to various wholesaling corporate entities affiliated with or controlled by Mr Wines (who presides over all drinkables). You don't sell the sacks directly to the coffee shops or to consumers. Mr Wines needs to wet his beak. You can have all the cups of coffee you want at Caligula's.

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TheThirdPolice
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11/28/2016
:O

I have become addicted to your analysis. Exploring in-game lore is now a secondary goal that will allow me to provoke more.

I do feel a bit sorry for my future self in the meantime, since I'm sipping on my fourth espresso.

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Anne Auclair
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7/14/2017
There has been a lot of new darkdrop coffee content in the Great Game update. First we have the two day stakeout with the Tireless Agent, who uses darkdrop coffee to keep awake. Second, when you are gifted a spare subscription with the Gazette from an admiring spy, his/her "hands [are] twitching from excitement and three cups of [Caligula's] coffee." Lastly, if you send a sulky bat to the surface to retrieve a scrap of menu from a village cafe, upon the bat's return you learn that "coffee prices are down."

Darkdrop Coffee apparently plays a pretty big role in the Great Game, to the point that the price of coffee in a village cafe is considered very valuable intelligence. This seems to suggest that on surface, Revolutionary and Great Game activity increases and decreases according to the general availability of darkdrop coffee. When coffee prices are high, coffee is in short supply and the spies/revolutionaries have correspondingly less energy. When coffee prices are low, darkdrop coffee is readily available, and this leads to spies and revolutionaries being much more active.

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Anne Auclair
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10/7/2016
You are stirring your coffee when [an unorthodox correspondence symbol] forms, quite spontaneously, in the cream. There is a gout of scalding coffee-steam! You scream and leap back: your hands are badly burnt.

A Mr Eaten related correspondence symbol forming in a glass of Darkdrop Coffee. Do things like that normally happen when seeking the Name or is this occurrence fairly unique?

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Sandi Gummy
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10/8/2016
Someone should try to draw the correspondence on milk foam xDD

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10/14/2016
Infinity Simulacrum wrote:

Overdosing on coffee is one of the very nicest ways to die.


As a person who drank four cups of very strong coffee in quick succession because of "it's Art, dude"***, I can assure you it would be terribly unpleasant. Much grinding of teeth and moaning on the floor followed from that particular experience...








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Anne Auclair
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10/23/2016
Some of the new Zubmariner content further emphasizes Darkdrop Coffee's connections to revolution. In one of the new underzee locations, someone will read to you some suspiciously detailed short stories about anarchist hijinks:
The stories all centre on cafe's and anarchists. Most are placed on the surface, though some happen in London. One story, about the formulation of a plan that exploded a city block, featured a relentless coffee motif.


Meanwhile, Darkdrop Coffee is the fuel that powers the demanding physical and intellectual labors of the Scrimshander historians.
The Fuel of History

The guardians of the archives can barely contain their greed. While theories differ on what drives history, it is agreed that historians themselves are driven by coffee.

It's worth noting that a large portion of the Scrimshander's are Drownies - so even Drownies need a caffeine filled pick-me-up every now and then.
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10/23/2016
I once spent an hour examining an undergraduate's abstract pen drawing displayed in a dingy hallway. It was the first day of the semester, and a summer of sleeping in had clogged the caffeine tunnels with an attentive attitude and a quiet optimism. The infuriated triple latte burst out through my aesthetic sense instead, and trapped me in the checkerboard spiral.

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10/8/2016
Anne Auclair wrote:
The Master wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
You are stirring your coffee when [an unorthodox correspondence symbol] forms, quite spontaneously, in the cream. There is a gout of scalding coffee-steam! You scream and leap back: your hands are badly burnt.

A Mr Eaten related correspondence symbol forming in a glass of Darkdrop Coffee. Do things like that normally happen when seeking the Name or is this occurrence fairly unique?


It doesn't say it's darkdrop coffee, it just says coffee, and judging by the fact that darkdrop coffee is pretty rare I highly doubt it is.

It's not rare, it's one of the Neath's main commercial products, and London imports a lot of it. It's just pure Darkdrop Coffee that is difficult for Londoners to get their hands on (and at 50 Echoes a sack its not hard to see why).

When your character drinks the action giving, "pleasure in pain" Darkdrop Coffee, they grind some beans into a very fine powder and then drink it with "only a little water." That stuff everyone drinks at Caligula's? A very watered down version. After all, since Darkdrop beans are far more potent than their Surface counterparts, London coffee makers would need fewer beans per cup to deliver a satisfying product. Also, drinking Darkdrop too straight is rather dangerous - as in, if someone actually brewed enough pure Darkdrop Coffee they could kill themselves or other people with it.
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Overdosing on coffee is one of the very nicest ways to die.

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Anne Auclair
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10/1/2016
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lol, I'm actually hoping that something like that happens in Sunless Sky. If a cup of Darkdrop Coffee can keep you warm and pick-you-up even in the High Wilderness, it would become an even more popular beverage, no? The Unterzee is filled with taverns, ale houses and tea shops. The High Wilderness I hope will be loaded with coffee houses.
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7/14/2017
Anne Auclair wrote:
This seems to suggest that on surface, Revolutionary and Great Game activity increases and decreases according to the general availability of darkdrop coffee. When coffee prices are high, coffee is in short supply and the spies/revolutionaries have correspondingly less energy. When coffee prices are low, darkdrop coffee is readily available, and this leads to spies and revolutionaries being much more active.

This seems to jive with Sunless Sea, where apparently Vienna is a primary importer of Darkdrop and it's also a hotbed of revolution, Game-playing, and general intrigue all around.

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11/23/2016
VERY, VERY bad things happen to you if you drink the Mountain's blood. It is nothing like drinking Darkdrop Coffee. Darkdrop Coffee is a caffeinated beverage, probably infused with a DILUTED amount of the Mountain's vitality, which gives it such a kick. More than likely it's normal coffee hyped up 3 levels on vitality, which in and of itself is not illegal, which is why it keeps its virtues when transferred to the surface, and also the reason Hesperidian Cider allows you to go back to the surface after dying, as well.

Drinking pure, 20000% concentrated vitality, however leads to very bad things. Even bathing in the river with it will cause uncontrollable and rather grotesque growth.
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MrBurnside
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10/27/2016
maricolous wrote:
Infinity Simulacrum wrote:

Overdosing on coffee is one of the very nicest ways to die.


As a person who drank four cups of very strong coffee in quick succession because of "it's Art, dude"***, I can assure you it would be terribly unpleasant. Much grinding of teeth and moaning on the floor followed from that particular experience...








***maybe it was a dare. Just maybe smile

In addition to what's mentioned here: http://www.funraniumlabs.com/the-black-blood-of-the-earth/ caffeine can also cause blackouts in extreme doses. I've never seen it happen, but apparently my SO had one when she was a teen.
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Anne Auclair
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10/28/2016
When you give a bag of Darkdrop Coffee beans to the Almost Dead Man in the Undercrow you get quite the reaction:
The Almost Dead Man wrote:
The dimness of age and mushroom smoke fades from his eyes. "Ah...blood of the Elder Continent. All that is missing is a bright horizon, sapphired streams, and Nidaheans to kill."

This is a very old man with an almost hatched moth in his chest, swinging between drugged up stupor and regret filled agony. Just the sight and smell of the coffee makes him feel young again, however briefly. He even gets up out of his sickbed to rummage around his things in order to produce an artifact to pay you with! He's that energized and grateful!

His description of the coffee as "blood of the Elder Continent" has clear religious connotations. Stone, the Mountain of Light, is the god of the southern landmass. It is a wounded deity, bleeding constantly. In Sunless Sea you see Stone's blood in the Red River. In Flint I think you even get to visit Stone's wound.* This suggests that the vitality found in Darkdrop Coffee comes not only from Stone's supernatural light, but also from the divine blood that has been seeping into the continents water and soil for thousands of years.

*Note: I haven't played Flint - maybe someone who has can provide details?
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Frederick Metzengerstein
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10/30/2016
Any theories amongst the learned why Darkdrop coffee maintains some (which?) of its potent properties when brought to the surface?
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Koh Kai Ying
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10/30/2016
Because caffeine is not supernatural enough to be rejected Cool

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Siankan
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7/15/2017
Anne Auclair wrote:
Darkdrop Coffee apparently plays a pretty big role in the Great Game, to the point that the price of coffee in a village cafe is considered very valuable intelligence.

I think, rather, that that particular menu in that particular cafe is being used in covert communication, in which case there is probably nothing terribly important about the thing being used. There are plentitudinous examples throughout Fallen London of arbitrary items being used in such a manner (and that doesn't even touch on the subject of Illumination).

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Isaac Zienfried
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7/15/2017
Infinity Simulacrum wrote:
I dunno man, the price of real estate sure is higher in Sunless Sea (1.000 echoes compared to 50 echoes for comparable housing in both games).

Clearly our FL townhouses are freakin' tiny. I dunno. You're right, though, that's definitely one of the larger departures from FL's general economy. I had forgotten about that.

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Siankan
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7/19/2017
Anne Auclair wrote:
Isaac Zienfried wrote:
This seems to jive with Sunless Sea, where apparently Vienna is a primary importer of Darkdrop and it's also a hotbed of revolution, Game-playing, and general intrigue all around.

A drop of darkness for those with dark business.

Vienna has also been the unofficial capital of world coffee culture since they first captured a bag of the beans from the Ottomans. I'm not sure there's anything more to the connection than the obvious.

Anne Auclair wrote:
Siankan wrote:
I think, rather, that that particular menu in that particular cafe is being used in covert communication, in which case there is probably nothing terribly important about the thing being used. There are plentitudinous examples throughout Fallen London of arbitrary items being used in such a manner (and that doesn't even touch on the subject of Illumination).

Normally I’d think the same thing, the players of the Great Game so so love their needlessly ubiquitous codes inserted into objects or places of everyday life. But in this case, I think it makes much more sense for your acquaintance to be interested in acquiring straightforward economic intelligence.

First, the card states the following: “You've an acquaintance who is particularly interested in this kind of minutiae.” Said acquaintance is not interested in a code or a hidden message, he’s interested in minutiae: precise details; small or trifling matters; what is for sale and for how much.

Second, consider how utterly inefficient and luck based the mission would be if the aim was to intercept a coded message. You’d be sending a bat on a journey of several weeks to hopefully steal a menu that might contain a secret code. If the bat arrives on a day when there isn’t a secret code hidden in the menu, then the whole trip is a total waste. If the bat steals the wrong section of the menu, then the whole trip is a total waste. But if your associate is merely interested in, say, café prices at a particular location, then all the bat has to do is steal a menu, any menu, rather than the right menu on the right day.

If coffee prices were the true aim, why does the agent care what Joe Schmidt is charging his neighbors for coffee? He might drop them today to lure business from Johann Schmidt down the road, or raise them tomorrow to spite his neighbor with the sharp tongue. Either way, nobody is affected except the few hundred inhabitants of the village, if them. If I really wanted coffee intelligence, I'd want the prices in Rio, or on the Bourse. Those are the figures that have an impact.

On the other hand, how convenient would it be to my spy network to use Joe Schmidt's out-of-the-way establishment for intelligence. I might post my vital intelligence straight from Berlin, but then I am at risk of it being intercepted by any agent who knows to keep a lookout for me and my employees. Much better to recruit Joe Schmidt by passing a few marks under the table in exchange for the right to set his coffee prices for him. Something interesting happens, you send Joe a letter with a few more marks and price; he changes the menu until he hears from you again. Assuming your intelligence is of a kind that won't go stale quickly, then you have a notably more secure way station than using the Embassy's diplomatic pouches.

Is it slow? Yes. So is sending a regular courier down the Travertine Spiral.

Is it an "utterly inefficient" human Rube Goldberg machine? Yes. Are there any operations of the Game that aren't?

As to the acquaintance who "is particularly interested in this kind of minutiae," I think that the strongest hint of all that there's more than minor end-user economics involved. It sets up a problem in the reader's mind: Why is a Game operative interested in by-the-cup coffee prices in Schmidtsberg? Obviously he isn't thinking about stopping in for a demitasse. The upshot of this unexpected interest is to make the reader feel that he or she is on the receiving end of a reversed dramatic irony: the character knows something the reader does not. This is of course precisely the situation one expects with the Game, which is all about hidden information and using pawns (witting or no) to pass it along. What precise information is contained in Joe Schmidt's coffee prices? That is left tantalizingly unknown, but the hole serves, if anything, to underscore the complexity of the Game. Even the pieces don't know what they're really doing.

It's also worth noting that cafés are a recurring trope in noir detective novels and pulp fiction. Spies (like artists) are expected to be sipping coffee in the corner, perhaps waiting for a contact, perhaps eavesdropping or keeping an eye on a mark. That, more than anything to do with actual coffee, connects the Great Game to any number of café references.

As a final note, don't drink coffee in Schmidtsberg. It's terrible and overpriced.

(Apologies to any actual Schmidtsberg that may or may not exist.)

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Isaac Zienfried
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7/19/2017
Siankan wrote:
Vienna has also been the unofficial capital of world coffee culture since they first captured a bag of the beans from the Ottomans. I'm not sure there's anything more to the connection than the obvious.

The line of thinking I was using wasn't "there's revolutionary sentiment, and therefore coffee," and more "there's coffee, and therefore revolutionary sentiment." You're right in that it's pure speculation and matching up concepts that could be entirely coincidental, but hey, that's what we're here for. Bold leaps of half-formed logic are the bread and butter of nutty Neathy thinkers.

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Frederick Metzengerstein
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7/22/2017
Do we know that coffee prices in the village are Darkdrop coffee prices?

On the one hand, I have no problem accepting that abundant coffee, especially Darkdrop coffee, in the great coffeehouses of Vienna feeds Revolutionary and spy activity. Coffee sparks the imagination, fuels creativity and fires conversation, imagination, creativity and conversation combine to form dangerous thoughts, dangerous thoughts turn students into revolutionaries and revolutionaries attract spies.

On the other hand is any of this happening in a village? Doubt it.

Now if coffee prices are down in a village the may be down in Vienna. But I don't know why you'd test coffee prices in a vollage. Maybe because a bat would be out or place in a Viennese coffeehouse?
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Anne Auclair
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10/16/2017
One thing I've often wondered about is how Mr. Wines came to control the Darkdrop Coffee trade instead of Mr. Spices. Yes, coffee is a beverage, but the coffee beans themselves are indisputably a spice (coffee beans are now and then used to flavor food). And all of Mr. Wines' other products are intoxicants - wines, absinthe's, and special laudanums - so a pick-me-up like Darkdrop Coffee kind of clashes with his other holdings. Mr. Spices in contrast controls a diverse array of spices and condiments, everything from pepper & nutmeg to prisoners honey, so Darkdrop Coffee would fit right in.

So coffee is not clear cut territory, it looks more like the situation with London's dirigibles. The dirigibles are controlled by Mr. Fires, but they could have just as easily been claimed by Mr. Veils or Mr. Cups, and they only went to Fires because he won a power struggle (one that required quite a bit of blood and capital, according to the Duchess). So, how did Mr. Wines get coffee instead of Spices? Was there a trade, with Spices giving up coffee in return for the rights to prisoners honey? Were the rights to coffee determined by a wager at a gaming table? Was there an outright war of economic competition and assassination that settled the question (the two are currently warring over Parabola's riches, so they're not adverse to fighting)? And during what city was this decided? So many questions.

Yet however it happened, I like to think that Mr. Spices really wants to get Darkdrop Coffee back, and that he's nursing all kinds of schemes to one day reclaim it.

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Sanguinifex
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8/13/2018
Sandi Gummy wrote:
Someone should try to draw the correspondence on milk foam xDD

That's one way to keep your coffee hot!

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Anne Auclair
Anne Auclair
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7/17/2017
Isaac Zienfried wrote:
This seems to jive with Sunless Sea, where apparently Vienna is a primary importer of Darkdrop and it's also a hotbed of revolution, Game-playing, and general intrigue all around.

A drop of darkness for those with dark business.

[spoiler]A Vision in Irem wrote:
You will break the ice on a wide pool. You will toss the relic in. When the waves settle, you will see falling snow and black bark. You will see two men standing in wintry woods. The younger will prove himself to the older. Others have done so before; others will do so after. The vision will change. The old man will sip coffee on a sunlit street. He will write an order. He will send a pawn below, to London.
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Siankan wrote:
I think, rather, that that particular menu in that particular cafe is being used in covert communication, in which case there is probably nothing terribly important about the thing being used. There are plentitudinous examples throughout Fallen London of arbitrary items being used in such a manner (and that doesn't even touch on the subject of Illumination).

Normally I’d think the same thing, the players of the Great Game so so love their needlessly ubiquitous codes inserted into objects or places of everyday life. But in this case, I think it makes much more sense for your acquaintance to be interested in acquiring straightforward economic intelligence.

First, the card states the following: “You've an acquaintance who is particularly interested in this kind of minutiae.” Said acquaintance is not interested in a code or a hidden message, he’s interested in minutiae: precise details; small or trifling matters; what is for sale and for how much.

Second, consider how utterly inefficient and luck based the mission would be if the aim was to intercept a coded message. You’d be sending a bat on a journey of several weeks to hopefully steal a menu that might contain a secret code. If the bat arrives on a day when there isn’t a secret code hidden in the menu, then the whole trip is a total waste. If the bat steals the wrong section of the menu, then the whole trip is a total waste. But if your associate is merely interested in, say, café prices at a particular location, then all the bat has to do is steal a menu, any menu, rather than the right menu on the right day.
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A Dimness
A Dimness
Posts: 613

7/14/2017
Isaac Zienfried wrote:
Professor Strix wrote:
What can we say, brewing the perfect coffee cup is an art.

Do you know how many people I know who think coffee is just pouring boiling water onto pre-ground beans through a paper filter? I actually had someone have the gall to say to me "tea's tricky, but coffee's supposed to taste awful." I was agog, I was aghast. There's just as much fine preparation in coffee as in tea, if not more. My coffee setup is far from high-grade or expensive, but I can still manage a proper cup of espresso.

Also, the economy between FL and SS doesn't always relate perfectly, in my experience... although it's pretty close considering the two games have vastly different focus and scope. It's worth pointing out you're usually buying in considerable bulk in SS, whereas in FL you're buying things for more personal consumption. The reason you can buy so much coffee in SS is 1) buying in bulk almost always results in the price being cheaper per unit, and 2) successful professional zee-captains make a lot more money than your average FL player, but also face far greater risk of permanent, true death.

I dunno man, the price of real estate sure is higher in Sunless Sea (1.000 echoes compared to 50 echoes for comparable housing in both games).

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Anne Auclair
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11/23/2016
My theory is really Spacemarine's theory. He thinks it's more a general loophole though, rather then something specific to the Mountain. Since there's only one Mountain of Light in the entire universe, it probably doesn't matter which is which.

Does anybody have an echo of drinking the Mountain's blood in Flint? I'd like to compare it to the experience of drinking Darkdrop Coffee?

btw, if anyone wants to see Darkdrop Coffee make a reappearance in Sunless Sky, be sure to mention that in question 17 of the new Kickstarter survey ^_^
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GoingFTL
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7/14/2017
Anne Auclair wrote:
TheThirdPolice wrote:
Another interesting connection to blood: nidah is the Hebrew word for the ritual state of menstruation. I am aware that Nidah means something else in the game lore, though I haven't encountered it myself except for snippets like this one. But with the Mountain so closely linked to Judeo-Christian myth, it seems unlikely to be a coincidence.
edited by TheThirdPolice on 11/27/2016

Nidah, I believe, is the capital or central kingdom of the Presbyterate. Or it might be some holy site or citadel of Presbyter power. All I know is that some people wanted to conquer it and were apparently fighting the Presbyter to do so.

Anyway, a reference to menstruation is not very surprising. Stone has been repeatedly referred to as a woman after all, the Sun and Bazaar's daughter. Perhaps her wound isn't really a wound in a break the skin sense, but rather a curse of unending menstruation, with the Elder Continent serving as the sanitary pad absorbing her flow.

Continuing this thought, I think we've all made a mistake of conflating the Mountain's blood and light as equally &quotvital.&quot In Sunless Sea you can encounter a flower encased in glass, growing out of a solid rock. You ask how that can be and you're informed that the flower was planted close to the Mountain and basked a Summer in its light. Consequently, &quot[w]hat need has it for water, now? Or air?&quot Clearly the Mountain's light has stimulating yet preservative powers. Absorbing a considerable quantity of said light made that flower immortal and invulnerable.

Stone's blood appears to have very different properties from her light. When they plant a tree in the blood soaked soil of Adam's Way, the tree goes from sprouting seed to dead husk within the space of a single day. The tree's life is not enhanced in any way, it is merely sped up. Similarly, bathing in the Mountain's blood apparently causes undesirable growth and sailing a metal or wooden ship up the Red River will result in the hull corroding away. Stone's blood accelerates everything that absorbs or comes into contact with it, but it doesn't add any new life force and certainly does not preserve. The best it does is concentrate life, packing a lengthy period of life into a much shorter period of time.

Now, everything in the Elder Continent has absorbed a certain measure of light and blood. Clearly there's some very intricate interplay between these two conflicting emanations. Darkdrop Coffee would be no exception, but from its effects drunk pure - it really speeds you up, it really hurts you, drink too much and you will obviously die - I think it has more blood than light. Further supporting this is the Almost Dead Man, who calls the coffee you give him &quotblood of the Elder Continent.&quot So the boost you get from Darkdrop Coffee comes at the expense of your future life. You're essentially taking an hour or five hours or whatever from your future and giving it to yourself in the present. If you're a light infused immortal this simply wouldn't be a problem. In fact, given that everyone but the Presbyters family can only live one thousand years by holy edict, taking time from your limitless but unrealizable future and giving it to your finite present is incredibly smart, a good way of making those one thousand years really count. It's no different from running up a bill in the knowledge that you'll never, ever have to pay it, so you might as well get everything you can. But for ordinary mortals, well...the bill will eventually come due.
edited by Anne Auclair on 11/28/2016


Well... good thing I'm grinding for hespidarian cider, and only just after 171 days in Fallen London. I was fortunate to be given a huge boost by the Feast.
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Morkan Kassington
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10/2/2016
maricolous wrote:
Also I'm under the impression** that the Tireless Mechanic uses darkdrop coffee to stay awake in the face of his dream snake problem. Truly a magical concoction if one can entirely avoid sleep for months on end with it.

**under the impression because, well, he only says he drinks a "draught" to stay awake. No other information is given, I believe.


Fair enough, as people do heal fast enough thanks to the Mountain of Light that skipping sleep with coffee still allow your body to heal up even without sleep. Hopefully.

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Cass La'Roux
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10/13/2016
Sandi Gummy wrote:
Someone should try to draw the correspondence on milk foam xDD


Deal.
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