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I'm looking to get all 3 accommodation upgrades to 5 card homes, from the 4 card ones I already have.
Now I looked at the normal way and I have to have picked a specialization, not just have the 200 stat, so that's out, I won't be doing that, not until the ability to change specialization goes in, or paramount presence is unlocked.
Can I still get the wicket to get them to 5?
Assuming I don't need to have specialized for the underhand method, I've got a little snow, I'll get more, I've got tears, I can sniff them, I'm level 10 corespondance.
So, think I can make it?
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Gonen
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You're asking how can you achieve the 5 card lodging in the Neathmas event and how many pails do you need?
Lets see:
1. Start with 2 pails (you should have 2-3 by now). Convert only one using monocle. You have now 3 ToL. Do not do anything.
2. Wait for additional 1 ToL (maybe one from the advent, definitely from Mr. Sacks at the 12 days of Sacks). You now have 4 ToL.
3. Immediately convert another pail using monocle. = 7 ToL.
4. Mr. sacks gives another 4-5 ToL. That's 12 ToL. But the 5. lodging Bazaar = left with 3 ToL.
6. Convert another Pail using Monocle = 6 ToL
7. Reduce 1 ToL at the wicket for a small prize (don't remember the option's name - try the wiki) = 5 ToL
8. Convert another Pail with monocle = 8 ToL and another 5 lodging.
So that's a total of 4 pails for 2 lodgings.
Another conversion of 2 or 3 pails will raise you again to 7 ToL for the last lodging. It depends whether you are left with 0 ToL or 1 ToL. Can't quite calculate it without additional information: Will we get 1 ToL from advent this year? Will you buy the fur robe and get 1 ToL instead of 1 Pail? Will you become a doctor to get additional 1 ToL from Mr. Sacks?
But the first steps I wrote guides you to have two 5 card lodgings (the expansive two - will you choose the one which cost 7 ToL and not the 9 ToL?) for 4 pails.
6-7 pails for all three of them
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Gonen wrote:
1. Start with 2 pails (you should have 2-3 by now). Convert only one using monocle. You have now 3 ToL. Do not do anything.
2. Wait for additional 1 ToL (maybe one from the advent, definitely from Mr. Sacks at the 12 days of Sacks). You now have 4 ToL.
3. Immediately convert another pail using monocle. = 7 ToL.
edited by Gonen on 12/19/2015
Why wait? 3+1+3 = 3+3+1 Any ToL from advent isn't likely to be capped is it?
I've seen the advice to wait in other threads, but never the reason why, so I'm not sure what I missed.
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Ask and you shall receive. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/a/38664adreamofasunderedsea
We really should ask more on the forums. There seems to be a recurring theme of asking and then getting goodies from the advent calendar!
Gonen wrote:
Will we get 1 ToL from advent this year?
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Màiread
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Robin, you'll have no trouble reaching nine. Use today's advent calendar to take you to 7, then use the Mr Sacks cards to reach 9 (and higher!). You can see which options on the cards give taste either on the Christmas guide posted here on the forums or by looking at the wiki entries for each card. Do note you can't use pails to raise your current level further without a dread surmise, which I wouldn't advise doing anyway as you risk wasting your pail.
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Gonen
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MrBurnside wrote:
Why wait? 3+1+3 = 3+3+1 Any ToL from advent isn't likely to be capped is it?
I've seen the advice to wait in other threads, but never the reason why, so I'm not sure what I missed.
You are right. You could do that. Only be advised: If you reach 6, you can not pass it with monocle any more. Only if you have 4 or 5 (it'll jump you up to 7 or 8. But on 6 it will not jump you and you are dependent on ToL from Sacks. Or from Dreadful Surmise - but that's only 1 per pail and not 3 per pail like the monocle, so it's not the best way to raise you ToL unless you have to reach the high numbers.
Did I read correctly you achieved 6 ToL WITH today's advent? You won't be able to jump to 9 with the monocle, watch out... It'll waste your Pail
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navchaa wrote:
Ask and you shall receive. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/a/38664adreamofasunderedsea
We really should ask more on the forums. There seems to be a recurring theme of asking and then getting goodies from the advent calendar!
Gonen wrote:
Will we get 1 ToL from advent this year?
In an unrelated matter, where did I read that it is common lore to have been visited by a Heptagoat carrying a flask of cider at the eve of Christmas?
Will we get 1 Heptagoat and 1 Cider from advent this year?
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So if I currently have no four card lodging which one if any should I try and get in the next few days. I honestly will have to start grinding from pretty much zero for any of the three. I'm a CVR rather than a spirifer. Is it possible for me to get one of these lodgings in the timeframe needed? Or just pick up all the remotes and whatever other toys I can find?
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Màiread
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You'll have until the end of January to cash in your lacre at the Wicket, so you should have plenty of time to get a 4-card or two to upgrade. The brass sanctum upgrade is probably the least onerous to get outside of Sackmas, so you might want to prioritise the Bazaar and/or the Royal Beth, but obviously it depends on which you want most.
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Gonen wrote:
navchaa wrote:
Ask and you shall receive. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/a/38664adreamofasunderedsea
We really should ask more on the forums. There seems to be a recurring theme of asking and then getting goodies from the advent calendar!
Gonen wrote:
Will we get 1 ToL from advent this year?
In an unrelated matter, where did I read that it is common lore to have been visited by a Heptagoat carrying a flask of cider at the eve of Christmas?
Will we get 1 Heptagoat and 1 Cider from advent this year?
No, there's a quality called aquaintance: the heptagoat, which is only availible now. There's no other way to get this quality, but i believe it serves little purpose- perhaps it'll add... something... for nitebrite, who already owns one, but there's no free heptagoat, if that's what you meant. that would be silly
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Gonen wrote:
MrBurnside wrote:
Why wait? 3+1+3 = 3+3+1 Any ToL from advent isn't likely to be capped is it?
I've seen the advice to wait in other threads, but never the reason why, so I'm not sure what I missed.
You are right. You could do that. Only be advised: If you reach 6, you can not pass it with monocle any more. Only if you have 4 or 5 (it'll jump you up to 7 or 8. But on 6 it will not jump you and you are dependent on ToL from Sacks. Or from Dreadful Surmise - but that's only 1 per pail and not 3 per pail like the monocle, so it's not the best way to raise you ToL unless you have to reach the high numbers.
Did I read correctly you achieved 6 ToL WITH today's advent? You won't be able to jump to 9 with the monocle, watch out... It'll waste your Pail
edited by Gonen on 12/19/2015
Isn't it equally inneffective to use 1-ToL actions to get from 3 to 5? I mean, yeah, there's the wicket gimmick, but nothing else is worthwhile that way, right?
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Gonen
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Grenem wrote:
Gonen wrote:
navchaa wrote:
Ask and you shall receive. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/a/38664adreamofasunderedsea
We really should ask more on the forums. There seems to be a recurring theme of asking and then getting goodies from the advent calendar!
Gonen wrote:
Will we get 1 ToL from advent this year?
In an unrelated matter, where did I read that it is common lore to have been visited by a Heptagoat carrying a flask of cider at the eve of Christmas?
Will we get 1 Heptagoat and 1 Cider from advent this year?
No, there's a quality called aquaintance: the heptagoat, which is only availible now. There's no other way to get this quality, but i believe it serves little purpose- perhaps it'll add... something... for nitebrite, who already owns one, but there's no free heptagoat, if that's what you meant. that would be silly
Yes, of course 
A joke. Since that was the second time someone proposed a gift and it was given that day.
Though NOW it will not happen for sure. Thanks, Grenem. Now we have to grind 7 Ubergoats.
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Grenem wrote:
Isn't it equally inneffective to use 1-ToL actions to get from 3 to 5? I mean, yeah, there's the wicket gimmick, but nothing else is worthwhile that way, right?
Sorry, did not understand. What action gets you from 3 to 5?
The monocle gives 3 ToL for 1 Pail. Surmise only gives 1 ToL for 1 Pail but have no cap (or rather, 15 ToL cap).
So if you have 6 ToL, better use the "wicket gimmick" and get something nice for yourself, lower ToL to 5 and use monocle to raise ToL to 8.
So you use 1 Pail and gain someting from the wicket (for 1 ToL) and achieve 8 ToL.
The alternative, when having 6 ToL is using Surmise, getting to 7 ToL and losing 1 Pail.
A less profitable action on all accounts.
Hope I explained myself clearly. Language barrier on my side =)
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Gonen wrote:
Grenem wrote:
Isn't it equally inneffective to use 1-ToL actions to get from 3 to 5? I mean, yeah, there's the wicket gimmick, but nothing else is worthwhile that way, right?
Sorry, did not understand. What action gets you from 3 to 5?
The monocle gives 3 ToL for 1 Pail. Surmise only gives 1 ToL for 1 Pail but have no cap (or rather, 15 ToL cap).
So if you have 6 ToL, better use the "wicket gimmick" and get something nice for yourself, lower ToL to 5 and use monocle to raise ToL to 8.
So you use 1 Pail and gain someting from the wicket (for 1 ToL) and achieve 8 ToL.
The alternative, when having 6 ToL is using Surmise, getting to 7 ToL and losing 1 Pail.
A less profitable action on all accounts.
Hope I explained myself clearly. Language barrier on my side =)
A lot of the old guides reccomended using dip a soul in it for 1 ToL to reach 3 to 5, and two monocles to reach 8. OFC, it's not very effective, but that's why I was asking- also, why not use the monocles immidately otherwise?
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Gonen
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Grenem wrote:
A lot of the old guides reccomended using dip a soul in it for 1 ToL to reach 3 to 5, and two monocles to reach 8. OFC, it's not very effective, but that's why I was asking- also, why not use the monocles immidately otherwise?
Ah, Understood. No, not effective at all. Raising 3 to 5 and then to 8 consumes 3 Pails (Soul, Soul, Monocle). Raising from 3 to 6 and lowering 1 at the wicket and then raising to 8 uses only 2 pails (Monocle, Monocle) and gains a small prize.
Of course, one needs a monocle and a proper SoTC.
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Recommending using souls twice was based on trying to maximize Taste before the Wicket opened.
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Gonen
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Optimatum wrote:
Recommending using souls twice was based on trying to maximize Taste before the Wicket opened.
Yes. But as explained, not a good "economic" use of your Pails - if you have the monocle and sufficient SoTC
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Màiread
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Not an economical use of pails, no, but it means you get much greater value out of Mr Sacks, and depending on your resources it may be the only way to reach the taste you need for a spire emporium or late stage noman. Relatively speaking pails are cheap, whereas you only get one shot at raising your taste with the Sacks cards. It's only really an issue if you're after a late noman or lack the items to get +3 from Sacks.
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As noted, if going for lodgings, use the previous replies as the best efficiently used. if going for things like Noman building, then it's important you use a specific method to have the Taste at certain levels. That's when guides like this come to play.
(I'll leave the "best practices" for getting said 4-card lodgings specifically to other threads. That would take way too long to mention every one here which has two acquisition options available for each three 4-card lodgings.)
The best options (contrasting the rest-of-the-year costs) to upgrading to 5-card lodgings is The Hotel Suite (in regards to the rarity of the Impossible Theorem,) or the Spire (in regards to the cost of 10 Notability which is spent.)
The Brass Embassy's Sanctum is a tricky Wicket (pun intended) to quantify. Whether it's best to get it on Christmas Season or not quickly answered is "it's complicated." The more detailed answer, I have listed below:
While the One-Time Prince of Hell Location off-Season-not-Christmas requirement is the High-End and somewhat difficult to get requirement costing 3200 scraps for trade-in (or selling the Cave to the Great Game or one something gets and delays continuing their Heart's Desire Ambition) along with the even harder 200 base stat PoSI Tier 2 (and much easier Connected: Hell 50 and Dreaded 7) the Seasonal PtPT:AToL 8, 3 Notability are much easier, but you must be Soulless. That may or may not matter to a player's RP or an ascetic level.
Mechanically speaking, Soullessness affects certain carousel advancements in the Summerset University cycle (depending on how far you are,) and locks out the Counting The Days advancement at the Shuttered palace. However, the (non-fate-locked) Capering Relicker rewards are better when you don't have a soul.
While soulless, it automatically caps "an intimate of devils" (then set to 20) from showing up drawing cards again. (However, refusing their advances at that big Ask also is the Best way of raising Austere without spending Fate or burning Endowment of a University Fellowship. If you sell your soul to a fate-locked Devil or the seasonal one at the Brass Embassy and not the Intimate Devils however, they send you a card that resets the value back to zero even if they don't offer you cards until you get your soul back. Should the soul be restored, these cards then return as that value is reset unless you manually cap it by re-building it and risking your soul and succeeding not losing it until the value is level 17 with the intimate devils, but I digress.) You while soulless of course, get the fate-locked option drawn card to restore your soul this way which costs more and more fate each time you lose/restore it. This is because you can make some money selling your soul multiple ways (up to hundreds of Echoes worth with another Fate-Locked story drawn card option) including selling it for exactly one bucket's worth of Lacre to urchins' value at the four-card Brass Embassy every Christmas Season.
One's soul must either be restored by Fate as mentioned above or by a random bundle of Oddities draw allowing 200 or higher (and you must hit 200 exactly on said roll) to restore the soul. The best random card draw option is "One's Public" using Speak for a little while and ask them to disperse going exactly from 1-200. (Ironically, if one has begun the investigation in the University bypassing that Summerset soulless college thing by ending that earlier carousel, one has the best non-draw chance of drawing the bundle value of 200 with fewer higher-ranked bundle options from The student body (1-206) once your Tales from the University is 9, but not higher than 23 and you do not progress to A note from the Masters by raising Investigating to 6 with the 23 tales from the University value.)
So easily getting either/both the Spire and/or Suite is definitely more cost-effective depending on if your concern is Notability earned/spent and/or the The Capering Relicker and Gulliver are Outside in the Street Location of the Prince Scrap trade-in/selling or sold the cave respectively. But the Sanctum costs are subjective if one wishes to lose one's Soul or not depending on where they are in story mechanical advancement process/RP reasons, and how easy it is to restore (if applicable) compared to the lodgings' high value non-seasonal requirements. Pretty much, as long as you aren't grinding the pre-investigating University carousel or non-interrupted grinding the CTD carousel, selling the soul is a technically better way to get a 5-card Sanctum.
Finally, besides the 5th card slot, you do not get anything special from going from a 4th card to a 5th card lodging. All opportunity options drawn are available from 4-card options (if I am wrong on this, by all means, do note this in your reply.) So remember this when you have one 5 card option that there is no "rush" to get the rest. (Collectors of all 5-card lodgings of course may disagree.)
However, remote lodgings (while only a 3-card location) completely remove all drawn city vices cards, and that's a lot of cards that frequently come up if you are trying to draw something else specifically. If you already have a 5-card lodging, this may be a better option if you don't have a remote address. But having more than one remote address to move into does not do anything besides ascetically change your Lodgings appearance and is not needed to get more than one however you got your first one (and again, this may not apply for lodgings collectors, collecting them all.)
I hope this helps seasonal lodgings hunters and best of luck with your new homes!
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As a complication, as a leftover from last year I already/still have
Putting the Pieces Together: the Taste of Lacre 2 - Lacre can poison, intoxicate or even transform...
Actually, with today's freebie
This dream is over. Perhaps something remained. [This has raised your Putting the Pieces Together: the Taste of Lacre quality. You'll be able to trade it for rewards in January.]
Why does the lacre accumulate at Christmas?
That makes it 3, and that means "do nothing".
Hrm...
I sold my soul and traded the spoils to the urchans so I could qualify for the devil's deal...
So I better do that one first, eh?
I'd also like to get a cagnister venom, so I'll likely be doing THAT path in the 12 days.
Still, if the lower 2 can be reached almost trivially with just being smart, I should be able to HUFF the tears and fill in the edges, right?
Now, that's a very nice, and long guide, but it misses something.
You need to be not just POSI, but specialized in one of the 4 ways, or else you can't buy the sanctum with the adress of the one time prince of hell.
As I don't have the specialization, I HAVE to do it by the back door?
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