Kukapetal
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Is there any way to protect myself from this besides never ever accepting a package from anyone ever again? I'm quickly running out of humor when it comes to this particular prank.
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I believe they cant send you any if you have wounds 3.
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Gillsing
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12/12/2015
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I suppose you could make a note of whose packages are likely to contain rats, and refuse to accept packages from that person? Or those persons, in case you've attracted the attention of multiple rat-senders. Which makes me wonder what you have done to deserve that.
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Kukapetal
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12/12/2015
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Gillsing wrote:
I suppose you could make a note of whose packages are likely to contain rats, and refuse to accept packages from that person? Or those persons, in case you've attracted the attention of multiple rat-senders. Which makes me wonder what you have done to deserve that.
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Yeah, it's always a different person each time. They make my acquaintance, send a regular package or invite me to a social action in order to gain my trust, and then send me live rats. It's getting to the point where I don't really want to accept anymore packages or even calling cards because I can't trust anybody. But if I turn them down, then I feel bad for potentially snubbing someone who was being genuine.
I just wanted to know if there was any way of defending myself against these packages or if I'm just going to have to stop accepting packages from anybody (at least for now)
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Lady Sapho Byron
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12/12/2015
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Kukapetal wrote:
But if I turn them down, then I feel bad for potentially snubbing someone who was being genuine.
Perhaps you could decline the package and then send a note explaining the curious circumstances you find yourself in? This would protect you and the feelings of the sender, should she, he, it, or them be benign.
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Grenem
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12/12/2015
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Kukapetal wrote:
Is there any way to protect myself from this besides never ever accepting a package from anyone ever again? I'm quickly running out of humor when it comes to this particular prank.
never accept a package, stay at 3+ wounds- but then they can poison you, which is cheaper, even, and roughly as lethal, so you'd be unable to accept wound-healing socials.
Although, doesn't the rats appear as a cat-box? just tell them you can't accept cat-boxes. accept everything else, except maybe wound-heals.
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Erika
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Are the accounts freshly made? Because if it's the same person sending the rats, but different accounts, that's harassment.
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Nigel Overstreet
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12/12/2015
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Are the accounts freshly made? Because if it's the same person sending the rats, but different accounts, that's harassment.
I concur that this behaviour seems out of the ordinary.
Check the various mantelpieces of those sending you rats. If they're all newly made, I'd consider e-mailing Failbetter and seeing if this might, indeed, be the same person.
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Kukapetal
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12/12/2015
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It doesn't seem like the same person...all the accounts look very different with different history and "personalities." So I'm guessing it's not harassment...just a bunch of people all having the same idea to play a "hilarious" prank on me.
I mentioned this to my friend who introduced me to this game and she thinks it's because I'm RPing as a minor but still nasty villain from another game. Though I myself am never nasty to any other players, and do my best to be helpful and friendly, if a bit eccentric, people who have played this other game may be taking it upon themselves to "punish" the character I'm RPing as.
It makes sense and honestly, if I'd known about this rat prank when I signed up, I'd probably have chosen to RP as someone else :P But I've come too far with this account to change things up now, plus the character has been a lot of fun to RP as. So while the prank is annoying, I probably invited it, so I'll just suck it up and not accept any more packages and consider it the price I pay for choosing to RP as someone with a lousy reputation.
Thanks for your advice, everyone
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malthaussen
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12/12/2015
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Carrying grudges across games is unacceptable behaviour. If you are correct in your assessment, then these players who are harassing you are very uncool. Not to mention puerile.
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Pyrodinium
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12/12/2015
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Kukapetal wrote:
It doesn't seem like the same person...all the accounts look very different with different history and "personalities." So I'm guessing it's not harassment...just a bunch of people all having the same idea to play a "hilarious" prank on me.
I mentioned this to my friend who introduced me to this game and she thinks it's because I'm RPing as a minor but still nasty villain from another game. Though I myself am never nasty to any other players, and do my best to be helpful and friendly, if a bit eccentric, people who have played this other game may be taking it upon themselves to "punish" the character I'm RPing as.
It makes sense and honestly, if I'd known about this rat prank when I signed up, I'd probably have chosen to RP as someone else :P But I've come too far with this account to change things up now, plus the character has been a lot of fun to RP as. So while the prank is annoying, I probably invited it, so I'll just suck it up and not accept any more packages and consider it the price I pay for choosing to RP as someone with a lousy reputation.
Thanks for your advice, everyone
May I suggest that these players prank you in http://rattus.storynexus.com/s instead? They'll get their "revenge" while leaving your FL account unharmed.
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12/12/2015
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Pyrodinium wrote:
Kukapetal wrote:
It doesn't seem like the same person...all the accounts look very different with different history and "personalities." So I'm guessing it's not harassment...just a bunch of people all having the same idea to play a "hilarious" prank on me.
I mentioned this to my friend who introduced me to this game and she thinks it's because I'm RPing as a minor but still nasty villain from another game. Though I myself am never nasty to any other players, and do my best to be helpful and friendly, if a bit eccentric, people who have played this other game may be taking it upon themselves to "punish" the character I'm RPing as.
It makes sense and honestly, if I'd known about this rat prank when I signed up, I'd probably have chosen to RP as someone else :P But I've come too far with this account to change things up now, plus the character has been a lot of fun to RP as. So while the prank is annoying, I probably invited it, so I'll just suck it up and not accept any more packages and consider it the price I pay for choosing to RP as someone with a lousy reputation.
Thanks for your advice, everyone
May I suggest that these players prank you in http://rattus.storynexus.com/s instead? They'll get their "revenge" while leaving your FL account unharmed.
An open letter to the Failbetter Community about Harassment:
Dear Kukapetal:
I also suggest what was quoted above. But should that fail, see below.
7. Visitor Conduct
When using the Website you shall not post or send to or from the Website any material:
- for which you have not obtained all necessary consents;
- that is discriminatory, obscene, pornographic, defamatory, in breach of confidentiality or privacy, liable to incite racial hatred, liable to cause annoyance or inconvenience to others, or which encourages or constitutes conduct that would be deemed a criminal offence, give rise to a civil liability, or otherwise be contrary to the laws of England and Wales;
- which is harmful in nature, including, and without limitation, computer viruses, Trojan horses, corrupted data, or other potentially harmful software or data.
Failbetter Games may suspend the accounts of any users it deems to be engaging in malicious or inappropriate conduct. Such conduct includes but is not limited to:
- attempts to modify character statistics and possessions through exploits;
- attempts to manipulate character rankings or displays through means other than those intended by Failbetter Games;
- unauthorised reproduction or distribution of any of the Website's content, including but not limited to Fate-locked content;
- harassment or misinformation directed against other players or against employees of Failbetter Games;
- attempts to hack the Website;
- unauthorised use of automation or scripting to interact with the site;
- use of secondary accounts to harass other players or gain competitive advantage;
- denial of service attacks against the Website;
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I play characters that sometimes like to push the envelope in regards to what may be acceptable at times. Heck, one of them is a Public Deviant and even then I write only using innuendo (Snow: in YOUR...Me: Shut up Snow!) There are limits when writing involving other people involved with your story ideas. The first one is consent.
If you had asked to have rats sent to you throughout all stories because of X, we wouldn't be having this thread.
But you didn't. To take something that has been debated, but still is true, "No means no." Not yes, not a sexual position I won't list here, not "later."
Take the time (and turns) to reply to those who have sent you packages. Feel free to send it as a letter or some action you both could benefit from to show your respectable intentions with them (if you so wish, not required to however.) In that commentary please, mention what you have here (you should have pretty much unlimited text to write,) highlighting your displeasure in this act and request they (if you so wish or don't even mention it if you do not) use the above rat-sending option instead or cease this and ask others involved to do/stop as well.
Now should this polite and civilized request fail, then show no further restraint and report everybody who still does this as harassing to Failbetter (noting the above quoted highlighted reasons I took the time to find from the Terms of Service for you,) and take no second thought if their account is temporarily or even permanently suspended for such actions. You be the bigger person, but take no more crap should it continue!
May everybody end up happy with what was asked, as nobody should be punished that does not deserve to be.
Good Luck,
the truthseeker (the player)
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Ben
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There IS a property "nolongeracceptingrats" that if nothing else, the staff can set on you.
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Sara Hysaro
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12/12/2015
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Yeah, naming yourself after a fictional villain doesn't mean you have to just deal with the Rat Attacks. If you feel upset you should definitely write to these individuals to let them know, and if it persists definitely send in an email to FBG.
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Kukapetal
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12/13/2015
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I guess I assumed it was something I just had to deal with because it's part of the game mechanics. I mean, if it's harassment, why is there an option to play the prank at all? I assumed that since that option was available, it was an acceptable prank to play on others and therefore the people who did this to me weren't technically doing anything wrong.
That said, I have let the people who've done it know that I don't like it and several of them have been apologetic and none of them have pranked me a second time. But that doesn't keep me safe from the next person who's played "Borderlands 2" who sees my account and takes it upon him/herself to "punish" me. There seems to be a healthy supply of them :P
Ben wrote:
There IS a property "nolongeracceptingrats" that if nothing else, the staff can set on you.
Something like that would be perfect. Is it only available via the staff or can you acquire it in-game somewhere?
Thanks again, everyone.
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Parelle
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12/13/2015
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I was NOT present during these events, but perhaps this will give you an idea:
Http://community.failbettergames.com/topic21221-ratmas--bad-jokes-never-die.aspx
edited by Parelle on 12/13/2015
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Grenem
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12/13/2015
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Kukapetal wrote:
I guess I assumed it was something I just had to deal with because it's part of the game mechanics. I mean, if it's harassment, why is there an option to play the prank at all? I assumed that since that option was available, it was an acceptable prank to play on others and therefore the people who did this to me weren't technically doing anything wrong.
That said, I have let the people who've done it know that I don't like it and several of them have been apologetic and none of them have pranked me a second time. But that doesn't keep me safe from the next person who's played "Borderlands 2" who sees my account and takes it upon him/herself to "punish" me. There seems to be a healthy supply of them :P
Ben wrote:
There IS a property "nolongeracceptingrats" that if nothing else, the staff can set on you.
Something like that would be perfect. Is it only available via the staff or can you acquire it in-game somewhere?
Thanks again, everyone.
It's a vengance option, and a malicious option for pranking purposes. If you wanted to, you could work through everyone on the list of active forum members, for instance, poisoning them or rat-boxing them, and that wouldn't be harrassment. But there's a level of repetition where you've either been very bad this hallowmas- rejecting dozens of individuals invites even as you recieved them- or you're being pestered by an individual who's making alts to make your life miserable.
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Kukapetal
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12/13/2015
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Grenem wrote:
It's a vengance option, and a malicious option for pranking purposes. If you wanted to, you could work through everyone on the list of active forum members, for instance, poisoning them or rat-boxing them, and that wouldn't be harrassment. But there's a level of repetition where you've either been very bad this hallowmas- rejecting dozens of individuals invites even as you recieved them- or you're being pestered by an individual who's making alts to make your life miserable.
Nah, I was good this Hallowmas, and I'm pretty sure it's not one person with a bunch of alts...just various random players who don't like the guy I'm RPing as and are trying to "get" him. I honestly don't think any of them mean to be exceptionally nasty toward me...they probably just think they're being mischievous. It's just starting to get annoying.
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Optimatum
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12/13/2015
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Though you could if you wish ask the staff to give you Accepting No Further Rats, note that it prevents other players from sending dead rats and boxed cats to someone with the quality. I haven't heard of any non-staff member ever being given the quality but if enough people bother you then who knows.
If you ever end up getting it, please at some point take the action on Iron Republic Day 23 that requires the quality. Nobody knows what, if anything, is behind it so finding out would be pretty cool.
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I know this isn't quite what the truthseeker is suggesting, but I hope that no one comes away from this thread thinking they should report live-rat-senders to Failbetter, and I really hope no one would actually get punished just for using a harmful social action.
If (as here) someone is being sent live rats once from many different unrelated players, that's annoying for the recipient, but each sender only did it once, and that should hardly be considered harassment.
If (not this situation, but more like what the truthseeker said) someone is repeatedly sent harmful social actions from the same player, the recipient could simply decline any such invitations from that player in the future. Declining a social action is free (doesn't even cost an action, unlike accepting), though the sender still pays an action and (in this case) the cost. The sender will either stop, or be throwing a lot of rostygold down the drain (down a well, perhaps?), with the only cost to the intended recipient being a click. Nothing worth reporting.
If someone were to send a rude message with their rats that was against the ToS, or create a bunch of other accounts to trick someone else into accepting a bunch of harmful social actions, that would definitely be worth reporting and having punished.
Now, as for the situation this thread is about: I don't think the live rats are that bad, especially if they can only be sent when you have below wounds 3. You could simply continue accepting whatever they're disguised as (what are they disguised as?) and just take the wounds and laugh about it. You could decline any of that type and feel safe in the knowledge you probably won't be unexpectedly attacked by rats. You could remain above wounds 3 permanently unless you have a need to lower them—and if you're worried about poison as someone mentioned, decline all wounds-healing invitations, legitimate or not, since you don't want to get poisoned or to lower your wounds past 3—and you'd be safe (if in a little pain) this way too. Or the developers could read this thread and the suggestions within, and either give you Accepting No Further Rats, or make it available to everyone.
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