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Dudebro Pyro
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11/28/2017
Am I correct in that grinding Carnelian ballets is the most profitable way around this? Or is there a better approach?

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geremy
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1/27/2018
As far as I can see, yes, grinding Carnelian ballets is the way to go. In fact, it provides an excellent echo grind if done over the (VERY) long term, much better that AotB, assuming that you have played the Blemmigan Affair and can therefore obtain Bohemians Favours using a highly profitable action on the Bohemians card.

You need 1 action to travel to the Court, 1 action to start the ballet preparations, 13 actions of raising Inspired via the Composition: The High Path storylet, and 1 action to stage the ballet, for 16 actions per ballet staged. (If you can do more than one cycle at a time you can save the traveling action cost, but you are trying to grind echoes as efficiently as possible you also don't want to be drawing cards in the Court if you can help it. Other locations have better cards.) That results 30 echoes of Moon Pearls and 3 Tribute (worth the equivalent of 9.375 echoes when cashed in at the Court of the Wakeful Eye), at the cost of 6.5 echoes of honey. That's 32.875 echoes for 16 actions. Of course, that doesn't take into account the 1.55 actions necessary to cash in Bohemians Favours to obtain the requisite honey (we can ignore the action cost of obtaining the Favours, since the Blemmigan option on the Bohemians card is highly profitable even disregarding the Favour received), nor the 4 actions required to cash in every 20 Tribute in the Court of the Wakeful Eye, nor the ~40 actions necessary to zail to the Court of the Wakeful Eye and back. The zailing makes it necessary to do this over the very long term.

If you staged 100 ballets, I calculate that (assuming 40 actions for round-trip zailing time) you would spend 1854.76 actions for Moon Pearls and Wakeful Eye treasures worth a total of 3287.50 echoes, for an EPA of 1.772. (If you instead just sold all of the honey you got from those Favours and spent the rest of your actions doing AotB, you would only make 3113.5 echoes from the same number of actions.) The longer you wait to take the trip, the higher the EPA becomes. (If you only staged 50 ballets, for instance, the EPA would only be 1.735.) Ignoring zailing, the EPA is 1.81, equivalent to the Assassins/CoC grind.

Obviously this is a Fate-locked grind, since it requires having played through the Blemmigan Affair. And it's a slow grind, since it depends on the Bohemians card for honey, and you only have about a 50/50 chance of getting a Favour when you use the Blemmigan storylet on that card. (Getting enough Favours to stage 100 ballets would require drawing the card more than 300 times, which would take the better part of a year. And that's assuming that you would use every Bohemians Favour for this purpose; you almost certainly get a better benefit in the long run from the Bohemians conflict card, so you would only use these Favours for honey when the Bohemians card appears and you already have 7 Favours.) Still, for those in the midst of long-term echo grinding, combining this with selling orphans to the Court of the Wakeful Eye is a another way of making that zee-voyage as profitable as possible.

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dov
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1/27/2018
geremy wrote:
You need 1 action to travel to the Court, 1 action to start the ballet preparations, 13 actions of raising Inspired via the Composition: The High Path storylet, and 1 action to stage the ballet, for 16 actions per ballet staged.

It's actually 15 actions to raise Inspired to 24 via the "Composition: the High Path" (+20 CP per action for a total of 300 CP at Inspired 24).

Therefore it's 17 actions per Ballet (18 if you count action to get into Court).

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geremy
geremy
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1/28/2018
Gah, not sure how I made that error. I also didn't take into account the ~10% chance of a rare success on Composition: the High Path. Factoring both of those in, 100 ballets results in 3280.50 echoes for 2020.71 actions (ignoring zailing), for 1.623 EPA, worse than AotB.

So, this only make sense for folks pursuing Poet Laureate. Far less interesting, but it does mean that the Poet Laureate grind by this route is relatively cheap, albeit time-consuming. By the time you're done with the 145 ballets you need to achieve Poet Laureate, you only have ~50 fewer echoes than if you had spent those ~3000 actions doing AotB. Subtract from that the ~975 echoes of honey you invested in the effort, and a Poet Laureateship costs a little over 1000 echoes. Not a huge investment, by endgame standards.
edited by geremy on 1/28/2018
edited by geremy on 1/28/2018

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dov
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1/28/2018
What's your math/data for the Bohemian card's Blemmigan option? I play it from time to time, but other than the 50% chance for a Favour and the randomly given reward I've not been keeping track of everything it gives.

Edit:
I've drawn the card again and tried it to remind myself. Besides the 50% chance for a Favour, it gives some random amount of Romantic Notions and Memories of Distant Shores. How does this help you gain Drops of Honey for the grind you've described?
edited by dov on 1/28/2018

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geremy
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1/28/2018
It doesn't gain honey directly. It gives you a Bohemians Favour in an action that is already profitable (i.e., worth more than AotB) even ignoring the Bohemians Favour. Then you can cash in the Favour for honey at the Shuttered Palace. If you gained the Favour from an action that was worth less than AotB, I would have to factor the opportunity cost of that action into my calculations. Since this action is worth more than AotB, there's no opportunity cost; you're going to click it no matter what (assuming you're on an echo grind). The only cost is the action required to turn the Favour into honey, and then the cost of the spent honey itself. I included those costs in my calculations.

As for the question about how much the Blemmigan action is worth by itself, it's hard to calculate, since your Persuasive level has some effect on the outcome, but the outcome is still relatively random. I just played it myself, and I received 3.90e worth of items (Persuasive 274), not including a Bohemian Favour (which I didn't get this time).

EDIT: I played it again, this time for 3.20e worth of items plus a Favour, for a total value of at least 7.40e. Of course, you need to use an action to turn the Favour into goods you can sell.
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Jolanda Swan
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1/29/2018
You guys had me buy the Blemmigan affair and I must say I loved it. Onwards, to more masterpieces!

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James McCreedy
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2/15/2018
this may be old news and discussion closed, but, as far as text changing and all that, I'd say the ultimate lesson is, become an austere master of your temptations by turning amber into goo, and you'll never have to worry about the possible moral implications of your behavior. EVERYONE, JOIN THE LEAGUE OF AUSTERITY AND FIGHT BACK AGAINST POTENTIALLY ABUSIVE AND HARMFUL INDUlGENCE. WE HAVE AMBER FOR EVERYONE. plus we can get high from organ music, so we still have as much fun
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Frenjamin Banklin
Frenjamin Banklin
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3/12/2018
Is getting to 20 laurate impossible without overcapping stats? I've never been interested in overcapping and I'd rather skip it if at all possible.
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dov
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3/12/2018
Frenjamin Banklin wrote:
Is getting to 20 laurate impossible without overcapping stats? I've never been interested in overcapping and I'd rather skip it if at all possible.

No. You can get up to Persuasive 300 with just gear (i.e. no overcapping), and you "only" need Persuasive 290 to become A Poet-Laureate.

(obviously, if you can overcap, it will help).

FYI - Persuasive is the only stat in which the max possible bonus is the same with and without Fate.

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Frenjamin Banklin
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3/12/2018
Well I see that I'm going to need either the renown 40 church item and a new spouse, or just the renown 40 society item. Probably just easier to temporarily overcap 10 levels i guess, but then I'd have to pick a specialization...
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PSGarak
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3/12/2018
Frenjamin Banklin wrote:
Well I see that I'm going to need either the renown 40 church item and a new spouse, or just the renown 40 society item. Probably just easier to temporarily overcap 10 levels i guess, but then I'd have to pick a specialization...

Thankfully you can change specializations now. Although dropping a specialization takes 12 Notability... (or 15 Fate).

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Raihan
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3/13/2018
It's a little confusing trawling through all the posts in this thread, but can anyone clarify how I can get my Persuasive up to 290 without changing specialization, spouse or depending on mood cards.
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Alice Lutwidge
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3/13/2018
I don't think you can, unfortunately. By my count the highest boost you can get with all the best in slot Persuasive gear (including a Salon, the Parthenaeum, certain spouses, and Renown 40 items), but without a Mood, is only +80. Either way, Poets-Laureate have to overcap or wait for a Mood to show up.

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genesis
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3/13/2018
Presumably this is with a destiny though? As we are out of the destiny changing season (and doing so involves Fate anyway), I think destiny needs to be treated as the overcap or a mood - a very long term commitment that requires compromises in other areas if you don’t have it

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Lady Karnstein
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3/13/2018
If needs be you can get more than one level of PL with one mood card, if you are savvy enough to collect enough Fine Piece.
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Raihan
Raihan
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3/14/2018
I've had a Mood card I've kept from using for a while now. Guess I should keep it that way for now. Currently, with all the gear I have, I'm at 255 Persuasive. Since I don't intend to change specialization or destiny for this, even with a Renown 40 item though, I don't think I'll get to 280, let alone 290.

Oh well. It's rather fitting that Poet-Laureate would go to those who specialize in Persuasive.
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Skinnyman
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3/14/2018
This is the only high-end achievement that isn't restricted on Destiny, affiliation, profession. But missing any of those requires some extra effort on your behalf plus a Mood card.
Hat Mood +30
Clothing +10
Gloves +8
Weapon +10
Boots +5
Companion: +10
Affiliation +1 (Membership of God's Editors)
Transport +8 (Soc L40 item)
Home Comfort +8 (Church L40 item)

These is the lowest high point any player can achieve if there aren't any RP restriction! Thing is, they sum up exactly +90.

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Raihan
Raihan
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3/14/2018
Alright, that's a super helpful breakdown. I already have most of these. In fact, as a Correspondent, my Pot of Violant Ink gives me +12 Persuasive.

Time to grind Society and Church Favours then.
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Frenjamin Banklin
Frenjamin Banklin
Posts: 49

3/16/2018
well, I got poet laureate, a bit anticlimactic after all that
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