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Anchovies
Anchovies
Posts: 238

5 days ago
Getting a favor from the bohemian card costs £0.50 and gives +1 cp of Scandal.

Getting a favor from the society card costs £0.50 and gives +1 cp of Suspicion.

Getting a favor from the revolutionaries card costs £0.50 and gives +1 cp of Suspicion.

All other faction cards which add menaces (criminals, great game)do not also cost money. And all other faction cards which cost money do not cost nearly so much (usually £0.10 worth of common items; only Urchins comes close, if you buy the weasel).

What gives? And why did "attend a church fete on the south bank of the river" become the new Church favor source, while "buy drinks for writers" and "an invitation to dinner" are now virtually useless?

Also (yes I know this is stretching into intoxicated-rant territory) why does our poor Regretful Soldier not give any favors, while his counterparts now give two each? I could see the fellow having friends among the docks, church, or revolutionaries.

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A Dimness
A Dimness
Posts: 587

5 days ago
Not that I necessarily agree with it, but Failbetter's stated approach is "Assymetrical gameplay" meaning some avenues are harder than others.
edited by Infinity Simulacrum on 8/11/2017

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Siankan
Siankan
Posts: 297

5 days ago
It is also possible (though this is mere speculation) that when Failbetter created the Favours/Renown system to begin with, they decided how each faction would be treated, then organized their batches by grouping similar factions on the conversion timeline.

Also, it is to be noted that Society favours (to use an example) can be painlessly acquired in numerous situations - up to three free favours every time you accept A Polite Invitation. The faction card in that case is neither the best nor the most reliable source of favours, and I can easily see anyone not actively pushing Society renown choosing to skip it in favor of cheaper options.

That said, I'm entirely with you on the Regretful Soldier. Poor old boy's gotten the short stick, wot?
edited by Siankan on 8/11/2017

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Kaijyuu
Kaijyuu
Posts: 649

5 days ago
Methinks they decided the older factions were too profitable, and since they dislike actively nerfing old content, they just scaled back future faction profitability.
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Siankan
Siankan
Posts: 297

5 days ago
I don't think that lines up over the whole system, though. Society is overflowing with profitable favour options in a way that rivals the Docks; the faction card just doesn't happen to be among them. Consider how many favours you can get just from A Polite Invitation, and that's building MW and leading toward a profitable conclusion every few rounds. That in itself make Society one of the more profitable factions when it comes to favour-earning.

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Optimatum
Optimatum
Posts: 2544

5 days ago
Kaijyuu wrote:
Methinks they decided the older factions were too profitable, and since they dislike actively nerfing old content, they just scaled back future faction profitability.

I'm pretty sure that Revolutionaries now give 720 proscribed material per favour, so I highly doubt they're trying to make them less profitable overall.

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dov
dov
Posts: 1869

5 days ago
Optimatum wrote:
I'm pretty sure that Revolutionaries now give 720 proscribed material per favour, so I highly doubt they're trying to make them less profitable overall.

It's now 3 x Favours: Revolutionaries for the 720 x Proscribed Materials.

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Kaijyuu
Kaijyuu
Posts: 649

5 days ago
The revolutionaries' absurd return is the one thing I expected to be nerfed and instead it got buffed. Oh well.
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Artful
Artful
Posts: 41

5 days ago
For those seeking Paramount Presence via a Salon, the Society and Bohemian favors are wonderful.

Echos are not the only form of value for all players.

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Tystefy
Tystefy
Posts: 257

4 days ago
Unlike other factions, you can't even call in regular favours with Criminals, Urchins, and Revolutionaries!

Makes sense, really. Hard to wrangle them up for getting paid back.

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Optimatum
Optimatum
Posts: 2544

4 days ago
Oh yeah, that's still a thing. Time to make yet another post in the feedback thread. If Favours are supposed to be something to spend they need to actually provide a constant way to spend them.

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