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Skinnyman
Skinnyman
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14 days ago
suinicide wrote:
I am currently doing this (at 55/77) and the easier way I've found is to repeatedly gain St Destin's candle using 12 Notability, and then sacrificing it at the light house on Winking Isle (which doesn't require losing items). It is painfully slow.
But how did you get to SMEN 35 in the first place?

suinicide wrote:
I thought romantic notions (then side converting to tales of terror, then up converting) was the best too. But that calculation didn't account for the connected you need.
Or Documents and upconvert if you have the GG favours.

dov wrote:
Dudebro Pyro wrote:
Oh, for some reason I was under the impression that the Marriage's Notions were the end-all be-all for MW grinding.

It's the best way to get the Romantic Notions themselves, should you desire than.
Which is the best, non-card, source for MW preparations, not the actual grind/time when you need them.
edited by Skinnyman on 5/11/2018

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Dudebro Pyro
Dudebro Pyro
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14 days ago
suinicide wrote:
I thought romantic notions (then side converting to tales of terror, then up converting) was the best too. But that calculation didn't account for the connected you need.


I just did some crude maths and it turns out to about 1MWPA. I think I messed up calculating the successes and failure rates for the luck challenges but either way it's either very slightly above 1 or very slightly below (think 0.95-1.1 MWPA). You also end up with something like 0.1 EPA not counting rare successed, which is very likely worse than the 0.5 EPA of side-converting.

As a renewable source of stockpiling, it is indeed good (the path of "already having notions -> upconverting -> sideconverting to terrors -> upconverting" is better than "already having visions -> sizeconverting to compromising documents"), but not for actually grinding.


Skinnyman wrote:
dov wrote:
It's the best way to get the Romantic Notions themselves, should you desire than.
Which is the best, non-card, source for MW preparations, not the actual grind/time when you need them.

I guess if you're really unlucky drawing the Townhouse/Polite Invitation cards (or are just cards-averse), it would be helpful. I never saw that as a problem, though, since the window to draw them is a week and they're pretty frequent.
edited by Dudebro Pyro on 5/11/2018

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suinicide
suinicide
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14 days ago
I got to 28 via marsh mired, played Chimney pot wars to 32. Then gained candles the rest of the way.

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Skinnyman
Skinnyman
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13 days ago
suinicide wrote:
I got to 28 via marsh mired, played Chimney pot wars to 32. Then gained candles the rest of the way.

Aha, I see, thanks! Care to pop a PM/spoiler here regarding the Fate option for SMEN? About to get a new Candle, wait for site reshape (hoping I'll get a crimson book) and off to Winking! Big Grin

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Kowth
Kowth
Posts: 63

12 days ago
Dudebro Pyro wrote:
In theory, one could finish SMEN without ever going to Winking Isle, right? Has anyone done the maths on how many Apalling Secrets on average that would cost? A quick back-of-the-envelope check seems to turn up around 77,000 pessimistically*, which is just over 11,500 echoes or the equivalent of 550,000 cryptic clues. That's oddly achievable, and even seems optimal for an end-game character with a lot of rare items if you intend to turn back. Another very dirty calculation gives about 11k actions**, with about 130 actions/day of dedicated grinding that's under three months - in comparison, grinding out a single Master's Blood will take five weeks just grinding Notability for the Presumption Opportunity, longer if you have to grind the Cellars or wait for it to show up randomly, and that's just one single item out of the multitude that need to be sold off.

Am I missing something? Or is it that almost nobody actually intends to turn back, so nobody cares?

*According to the wiki, Watchful challenge is SMEN * 20. At SMEN 76, that's 1520, giving about 12% success chance with Watchful 305, 10% at 260. Each attempt costs 77 Secrets. Let's butcher statistics and say that on average you'll need 10 tries to succeed at a 10% challenge, that gives 770 secrets per SMEN. Let's round up to cover up our mathematical ineptitude to 1000 secrets. Then just assume every level is the same difficulty to account for (very) bad luck (and not just because I'm lazy) and multiply by 77 levels (again rounding towards pessimism by ignoring levels gained through black cards, candles, etc.).

**Using Unfinished Business for Clues (and ignoring any starting stock - I personally would start with over 130k ready to go - or the possibility of grinding at the University if not locked out, and the several Clue-generous Opportunity Cards) gives about 9.2k actions on average to get 550k, then a bit over 1k to upconvert to Secrets. Again since we're rounding for pessimism let's assume bad luck and round up to 11k.

edited by Dudebro Pyro on 5/10/2018


A hahahaha I’ve been doing this for some time now. Suffice it to say that I’ve purchased the maximum of 60000 cryptic clues.... oh, it has to be approaching 50 times now. I gave up on that entirely. There are ways and there are ways.
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Kowth
Kowth
Posts: 63

9 days ago
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.
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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2004

9 days ago
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.

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Kowth
Kowth
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9 days ago
Catherine Raymond wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.


Well, Kowth, for example, is from the Name of the Wind. Fantasy novel, protagonist named Kvothe. There may have been a hillbilly accent involved. In this dialect: Kvothe=Kowth.
I find this kind of attention to detail both endearing and hilarious.
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Kowth
Kowth
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8 days ago
Kowth wrote:
Catherine Raymond wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.


Well, Kowth, for example, is from the Name of the Wind. Fantasy novel, protagonist named Kvothe. There may have been a hillbilly accent involved. In this dialect: Kvothe=Kowth.
I find this kind of attention to detail both endearing and hilarious.


That felt like a nickname though. Maybe realism is preferable after all. Or something like the blankety blank blank. The garrulous sesquipedalian.
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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
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7 days ago
Kowth wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Catherine Raymond wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.


Well, Kowth, for example, is from the Name of the Wind. Fantasy novel, protagonist named Kvothe. There may have been a hillbilly accent involved. In this dialect: Kvothe=Kowth.
I find this kind of attention to detail both endearing and hilarious.


That felt like a nickname though. Maybe realism is preferable after all. Or something like the blankety blank blank. The garrulous sesquipedalian.


So that is where your name is from! I enjoyed "The Name of the Wind" myself, and wonder whether and when (and how) Rothfuss will finish that series. Ah, well.

Ultimately your character name must satisfy you, and only you. I have stuck to the name that I used on Twitter, but you could plumb the depths of any works of fiction or characters from history to get a name that feels right. I have done that with some of my Companions, such as Temujin for my Bitter Saker Falcon.

Best of luck with the naming process.

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