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Skinnyman
Skinnyman
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5/11/2018
suinicide wrote:
I am currently doing this (at 55/77) and the easier way I've found is to repeatedly gain St Destin's candle using 12 Notability, and then sacrificing it at the light house on Winking Isle (which doesn't require losing items). It is painfully slow.
But how did you get to SMEN 35 in the first place?

suinicide wrote:
I thought romantic notions (then side converting to tales of terror, then up converting) was the best too. But that calculation didn't account for the connected you need.
Or Documents and upconvert if you have the GG favours.

dov wrote:
Dudebro Pyro wrote:
Oh, for some reason I was under the impression that the Marriage's Notions were the end-all be-all for MW grinding.

It's the best way to get the Romantic Notions themselves, should you desire than.
Which is the best, non-card, source for MW preparations, not the actual grind/time when you need them.
edited by Skinnyman on 5/11/2018

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Dudebro Pyro
Dudebro Pyro
Posts: 535

5/11/2018
suinicide wrote:
I thought romantic notions (then side converting to tales of terror, then up converting) was the best too. But that calculation didn't account for the connected you need.


I just did some crude maths and it turns out to about 1MWPA. I think I messed up calculating the successes and failure rates for the luck challenges but either way it's either very slightly above 1 or very slightly below (think 0.95-1.1 MWPA). You also end up with something like 0.1 EPA not counting rare successed, which is very likely worse than the 0.5 EPA of side-converting.

As a renewable source of stockpiling, it is indeed good (the path of "already having notions -> upconverting -> sideconverting to terrors -> upconverting" is better than "already having visions -> sizeconverting to compromising documents"), but not for actually grinding.


Skinnyman wrote:
dov wrote:
It's the best way to get the Romantic Notions themselves, should you desire than.
Which is the best, non-card, source for MW preparations, not the actual grind/time when you need them.

I guess if you're really unlucky drawing the Townhouse/Polite Invitation cards (or are just cards-averse), it would be helpful. I never saw that as a problem, though, since the window to draw them is a week and they're pretty frequent.
edited by Dudebro Pyro on 5/11/2018

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suinicide
suinicide
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5/11/2018
I got to 28 via marsh mired, played Chimney pot wars to 32. Then gained candles the rest of the way.

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Skinnyman
Skinnyman
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5/12/2018
suinicide wrote:
I got to 28 via marsh mired, played Chimney pot wars to 32. Then gained candles the rest of the way.

Aha, I see, thanks! Care to pop a PM/spoiler here regarding the Fate option for SMEN? About to get a new Candle, wait for site reshape (hoping I'll get a crimson book) and off to Winking! Big Grin

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Kowth
Kowth
Posts: 64

5/14/2018
Dudebro Pyro wrote:
In theory, one could finish SMEN without ever going to Winking Isle, right? Has anyone done the maths on how many Apalling Secrets on average that would cost? A quick back-of-the-envelope check seems to turn up around 77,000 pessimistically*, which is just over 11,500 echoes or the equivalent of 550,000 cryptic clues. That's oddly achievable, and even seems optimal for an end-game character with a lot of rare items if you intend to turn back. Another very dirty calculation gives about 11k actions**, with about 130 actions/day of dedicated grinding that's under three months - in comparison, grinding out a single Master's Blood will take five weeks just grinding Notability for the Presumption Opportunity, longer if you have to grind the Cellars or wait for it to show up randomly, and that's just one single item out of the multitude that need to be sold off.

Am I missing something? Or is it that almost nobody actually intends to turn back, so nobody cares?

*According to the wiki, Watchful challenge is SMEN * 20. At SMEN 76, that's 1520, giving about 12% success chance with Watchful 305, 10% at 260. Each attempt costs 77 Secrets. Let's butcher statistics and say that on average you'll need 10 tries to succeed at a 10% challenge, that gives 770 secrets per SMEN. Let's round up to cover up our mathematical ineptitude to 1000 secrets. Then just assume every level is the same difficulty to account for (very) bad luck (and not just because I'm lazy) and multiply by 77 levels (again rounding towards pessimism by ignoring levels gained through black cards, candles, etc.).

**Using Unfinished Business for Clues (and ignoring any starting stock - I personally would start with over 130k ready to go - or the possibility of grinding at the University if not locked out, and the several Clue-generous Opportunity Cards) gives about 9.2k actions on average to get 550k, then a bit over 1k to upconvert to Secrets. Again since we're rounding for pessimism let's assume bad luck and round up to 11k.

edited by Dudebro Pyro on 5/10/2018


A hahahaha I’ve been doing this for some time now. Suffice it to say that I’ve purchased the maximum of 60000 cryptic clues.... oh, it has to be approaching 50 times now. I gave up on that entirely. There are ways and there are ways.
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Kowth
Kowth
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5/17/2018
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.
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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
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5/17/2018
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.

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Kowth
Kowth
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5/17/2018
Catherine Raymond wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.


Well, Kowth, for example, is from the Name of the Wind. Fantasy novel, protagonist named Kvothe. There may have been a hillbilly accent involved. In this dialect: Kvothe=Kowth.
I find this kind of attention to detail both endearing and hilarious.
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Kowth
Kowth
Posts: 64

5/17/2018
Kowth wrote:
Catherine Raymond wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.


Well, Kowth, for example, is from the Name of the Wind. Fantasy novel, protagonist named Kvothe. There may have been a hillbilly accent involved. In this dialect: Kvothe=Kowth.
I find this kind of attention to detail both endearing and hilarious.


That felt like a nickname though. Maybe realism is preferable after all. Or something like the blankety blank blank. The garrulous sesquipedalian.
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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2093

5/18/2018
Kowth wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Catherine Raymond wrote:
Kowth wrote:
Since I have no one else to tell.
I’ve gone north with my main, to discover What is forgotten. I need help naming a new character to live on the new site when it’s released... until they invent some new horrible suicide.


I'd be delighted to help but more information about what you'd like in a name would be useful. Do you want a somewhat realistic name (like Rykar Malkus) a high-sounding name (like Colin Sapherson, Lord President of the Council) or a simple descriptive name (like Skinnyman) or something else? (All of these examples are in use by player characters, so they themselves aren't available--they are just examples of the types of name I'm talking about.


Well, Kowth, for example, is from the Name of the Wind. Fantasy novel, protagonist named Kvothe. There may have been a hillbilly accent involved. In this dialect: Kvothe=Kowth.
I find this kind of attention to detail both endearing and hilarious.


That felt like a nickname though. Maybe realism is preferable after all. Or something like the blankety blank blank. The garrulous sesquipedalian.


So that is where your name is from! I enjoyed "The Name of the Wind" myself, and wonder whether and when (and how) Rothfuss will finish that series. Ah, well.

Ultimately your character name must satisfy you, and only you. I have stuck to the name that I used on Twitter, but you could plumb the depths of any works of fiction or characters from history to get a name that feels right. I have done that with some of my Companions, such as Temujin for my Bitter Saker Falcon.

Best of luck with the naming process.

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Vega
Vega
Posts: 22

7/13/2018
After no small consideration, and with much fear and trepidation, I've embarked on the Seeking Road with my main character.

I've been long away from FL, so long that I've forgotten much of the game and had to check my main's journal to see my play history. Seems like I started here in 2011 (FL year 1889) and my last entry was in 2013 (FL year 1891)! A lot seems to have changed in that time, to the point where it made sense to start over with an alt and replay all the content to see how things have changed and grown. So I did.

What to do with my main, the accumulation of about 2 years of serious gaming and quite a bit of Fate? Well, he has scars, chains and stains, so I'd apparently begun Seeking with him before I stopped playing FL, and the Seeking content has changed substantially from what I remembered. Makes sense to continue.

But what a commitment. What a loss. That consent page made me pause -- and I initially opted out of it, but decided to continue. Those early steps and consequences of the Seeking Road made me pause some more. (Dire consequences. And this is just the beginning?)

It's not so much the in-game resources (because I can make them back on my alt -- and I am playing the game with a quasi-clean slate so doesn't feel that grindy) as the non-transferable history I'll be losing with my main. I have the old FL journal with venerable dates, I have A River in a Box, I have a membership to the Temple Club. Nothing of much consequence in the big scheme of life, but still, those are nice little touches that can't be transferred to my alt character, and would eventually become inaccessible.

I don't think I've thought so long and hard about an in-game decision for a while. But while each step down the Seeking Road made me pause, I took them anyway. And now I've taken too many steps and am committed. There's no turning back. So be it.
edited by Vega on 7/13/2018

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Dudebro Pyro
Dudebro Pyro
Posts: 535

7/13/2018
Technically there's still turning back until literally right at the very last step, in case you'd like to preserve the memories of your main.

Maybe seek on both accounts and then embark North simultaneously, then toss a coin to see who stays and who goes? Just a random idea.

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Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them.
For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Trife
Trife
Posts: 1

7/13/2018
The Trife has gone North, asked what was due, and will not be returning.


http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Trife

Could someone could PM me the other two endings, please?
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Skinnyman
Skinnyman
Posts: 1417

7/15/2018
Is there anything more (hidden?) to the echo of sacrificing a Starveling cat?
[spoiler]Words have been clawed in your forearm. They ooze both blood and pus. 'ET IN PARABOLA EGO.'[/spoiler]

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Skinnyman
Skinnyman
Posts: 1417

7/15/2018
New post for more spoilers! When obtaining the Calling card, who is the man that greets you? I'm working on SMEN in phases and I think I forgot some of the details.
[spoiler]""I didn't think you would come again. It is you, isn't it? I prayed you would not. Here, then, if you must. Yes, down these steps.. You've brought the papers? All of them? My secretary will help carry them. *snip*"[/spoiler]

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No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
Other actions are welcomed only if they are accompanied by some text!
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Azothi
Azothi
Posts: 210

7/15/2018
Skinnyman wrote:
Is there anything more (hidden?) to the echo of sacrificing a Starveling cat?
[spoiler]Words have been clawed in your forearm. They ooze both blood and pus. 'ET IN PARABOLA EGO.'[/spoiler]
It's a reference to the Poussin painting Et in Arcadia ego, which is roughly translated as "Even in Arcadia, there I am." The typical interpretation is that death is present even in Arcadia, a utopian realm. In this case, though, I believe this references Mr. Eaten's prior relationship with Parabola and how it remains present there, influencing dreams of dark waters among others. "Even in Parabola, there I am."

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Vega
Vega
Posts: 22

29 days ago
Dudebro Pyro wrote:
Technically there's still turning back until literally right at the very last step, in case you'd like to preserve the memories of your main.

Maybe seek on both accounts and then embark North simultaneously, then toss a coin to see who stays and who goes? Just a random idea.


Interesting idea, but I'm more inclined to Seek with one character than with both right now, until I find out more. I am still in the very early stages: after the initial sting the losses don't seem so great now, so I can currently abandon or suspend the Search without feeling the loss of sunk costs. (....Yes, famous last words.)

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Arcengal
Arcengal
Posts: 12

15 days ago
Probably an obvious question but are there any negatives to having levels of SMEN just sitting there even if you're not pushing forward with it? I know AP gives you annoying cards, but if you don't have AP then you're fine, right?
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Siegron
Siegron
Posts: 34

15 days ago
Arcengal wrote:
Probably an obvious question but are there any negatives to having levels of SMEN just sitting there even if you're not pushing forward with it? I know AP gives you annoying cards, but if you don't have AP then you're fine, right?

That's about right. No one's gonna be bothering you when you don't do anything to advance it, but why would you wait? The High Gate's waiting, delicious friend.

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Skinnyman
Skinnyman
Posts: 1417

14 days ago
I'm a bit confused about the Southwards parts of SMEN. I see that this actions locks with Well quality, but I heard multiple times that this method can be used to increase SMEN faster than Winking. You get the The Hollow Heart which requires SMEN 63. Getting the rest of the candles will require me to get 42 more points for level 77 (6 Winking) or only 4 if I do this carousel.

After 63, we move Southwards where the Well quality is gained which will be followed by The Advocate of Illumination. I see that this page has multiple options which increase SMEN based on the Well quality (sorry!).

1) Now, this means that one musn't grind SEMN on Winking up to 77 to finish SMEN, correct?

2) But how do you remove the Well quality? At the Chapel there's an option to get back home and nothing more? Am I missing something or the Wiki isn't fully up to date regarding this matter?

Many thanks!
edited by Skinnyman on 7/31/2018

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