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5 min ago
Topic:
Election 1897: Virginia

Scienceandponies
Scienceandponies
Posts: 231
Azothi wrote:
Scienceandponies wrote:
My character's opposition to Virginia certainly has nothing to do with base bigotry against devils simply for the fact of being devils. Some of his most treasured acquaintances are devils. They're great fun at parties!
Look ... this isn't your character's main point about Virginia's infernal connections - despite the mounting evidence that the Brass Embassy has distanced itself from Virginia's campaign - but I just don't think your character should be arguing &quotDon't worry, I have a [devil] friend&quot right now. It's a tad self-defeating and objectifying. Of course, that's all part of the society they live in, but it sticks out.


So you're saying it wouldn't help to exclaim how he would even let one use the loo at his residence?
12 min ago
Topic:
The Mayoral Election 1897

Benedicta
Benedicta
Posts: 4
As a relatively new citizen of the Neath, I'm wondering whether a Rubbery Man (or Rubbery Woman) has ever stood for Mayor? And if not, why not? smile

https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Benedicta/13448222
edited by Benedicta on 7/23/2019
12 min ago
Topic:
The Mayoral Election 1897

Teaspoon
Teaspoon
Posts: 858
Tsar Koschei wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
Someone doesn't know how to haggle.
An initial offer so low that it generates no interest at all means there's no point in haggling since the negotiation is a non-starter.



Nevertheless, it IS the only offer on the market. Scrapbook proves I'm Fixer 20 and I've got ten reputation to switch over to the Deviless herself, should fifty coins show up my way...
1 hours ago
Topic:
Election 1897: Virginia

Vorwoda Hawksby
Vorwoda Hawksby
Posts: 9
Jolanda Swan wrote:
All right. For all of you suggesting that Virginia is good because she is giving us a Fighting chance please explain..
...how ON EARTH does a spa or even good physical health in general give you a fighting chance if an entire industrialized city falls on your head?



Very well, Miss Swan, I shall be happy to explain.

Clearly, the answer to your absurdly and misleadingly phrased question above is: they don't. Nothing done by anyone could. IF the city falls on one's head, it is already too late for any help.

The goal is to find, have, and execute a plan with at least a chance of PREVENTING that from occurring. So, looking honestly at all three options:

MRS. PLENTY'S PLAN: "Sit, wait peacefully, and do nothing." Just relax at her Carnival until it is suddenly and squashily replaced by the Louvre. While you're there. Munching Rubbery Lumps. And that's even before you account for the fact that her husband the personal aide of a Master who WANTS the Sixth City to fall on our heads, and soon. This is blatantly of no help whatsoever.

MADAME SHOSHANA'S PLAN: "Love is needed. But from whom or what, or for whom or what, or how or why, I don't know. Let the Ministry handle it, they'll save us!" Sure they will. The Ministry...run, again, by the Masters. Let me reiterate, that THEY are the ones who WANT to hasten London's destruction and replacement by the Sixth City. Trusting our city's protection to the Masters is like trusting Pompeii's protection to Mt. Vesuvius. If Mt. Vesuvius was sentient, and eager to blow up at the earliest possible opportunity. This is WORSE than no help, it is ACTIVELY courting immediate total annihilation.

VIRGINIA'S PLAN: "Strengthen Londoners spiritually, morally, physically, and mentally." No, that won't give us the Atlas-like ability to hold Paris over our heads. But it WILL strengthen us our resolve and our personal capabilities to better resist the machinations of the MASTERS, and their plans for the arrival of the Sixth City. And it's painfully obvious that we need to strengthen our resolve to resist the Masters' plans, when some Londoners are weak (our blind) enough to subscribe to the Plans of the other candidates, which would actually HELP the Masters to destroy us all.

Why would Virginia (or Hell, in general) want to save London? Wouldn't the Sixth City also have plenty of souls for them? Of course. And so would the Seventh. But then, time runs out for everyone. Seven is the limit. When the Masters win, humanity dies. No more souls for the Devils. The Masters must be stopped. Even the Devils realize this.

Azothi has provided an in-depth and fascinating full analysis of Virginia's plan in http://community.failbettergames.com/topic27541-virginias-hidden-plan-a-discussion.aspx] this thread . While some of his conclusions may be speculative, his underlying evidence is not. I strongly urge everyone to read this for themselves.

Bottom line: The Masters are the real enemies of London. And of the three candidates in this election, only Virginia opposes them and has a plan that offers any resistance to them. It may not be enough. It may not work. But it's the only one that's not complete capitulation and surrender.
1 hours ago
Topic:
Virginia's Hidden Plan: A Discussion

Tystefy
Tystefy
Posts: 433
If the Masters really are planning to [spoiler] accelerate the fall of London (read: Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies), then I think I'll be fine considering I know where the Avid Horizon is as an ex-seeker.


I'll just stowaway on one of the numerous locomotives.[/spoiler]

Alternatively, try getting to Connected: The Masters 30 and pray they'll take you with them.
1 hours ago
Topic:
Election 1897: Madame Shoshana

Jolanda Swan
Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1272
I understand that she is going to guide people into Parabola, which chimes with her agenda. The Shepherd is self-evident, while the Rose and the Reflection in the Mirror suggest, of course, Parabola itself.
edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/23/2019
2 hours ago
Topic:
Election 1897: Madame Shoshana

phryne
phryne
Posts: 1163
SPOILERS: Here's the Madame Shoshana 12-Fate option.

Besides wiping Scandal, it gave 1x Blackmail Material, 5x Reputation and ~25 CP MW.

Anyone care to guess on the meaning of the readings? I'm afraid those tarot cards are impregnable to me...
edited by phryne on 7/23/2019
3 hours ago
Topic:
Tribulations of a Translator

Cpt. Eructus
Cpt. Eructus
Posts: 40
Siankan wrote:
I could see "fierce as lambs or meek as lions," if someone were being cheeky,.



Hmm. Maybe it refers to Parabolan kittens instead of lions? Those are fiercer than regular littens if only when reflected in a mirror. But still it wouldn't make much sense that it follows with "This one is not a kitten".


Siankan wrote:
If you think it was an error, I suppose you could simply alter it to make more sense. Alternatively, you could just translate it straight. I wish I could give you better guidance, but it comes down to your call here.

Yeah, I guess I'll have to settle for one of those options. Thanks.
edited by Cpt. Eructus on 7/23/2019
3 hours ago
Topic:
Tribulations of a Translator

Siankan
Siankan
Posts: 802
Honestly, it sounds like someone got called away in the middle of editing and only half-completed some kind of change. I could see "fierce as lambs or meek as lions," if someone were being cheeky, or perhaps "fierce as lions or meek as kittens" if the writer were playing it straight. As is, it doesn't make any more sense to me than it did to you.

If you think it was an error, I suppose you could simply alter it to make more sense. Alternatively, you could just translate it straight. I wish I could give you better guidance, but it comes down to your call here.
4 hours ago
Topic:
Tribulations of a Translator

Cpt. Eructus
Cpt. Eructus
Posts: 40
This event, in the successful text for the "Destroy it" action: https://sunlesssea.gamepedia.com/UNFINISHED!

A savage battle Clay Men are strong as stone. Unfinished Men may be fierce as lambs or meek as kittens. This one is not a kitten. At last, it lies shattered.

edited by Cpt. Eructus on 7/23/2019
5 hours ago
Topic:
Election 1897: Madame Shoshana

Jolanda Swan
Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1272
Sinning Jenny visits Soshana often as it seems (or so my Fate option on Soshana suggests, among other things).
Well, not that I needed any more convincing, but If I did, that would be it.
5 hours ago
Topic:
Weekly Fallen London Questions, 22/07/2019

Jolanda Swan
Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1272
Do we know what the Duchess thinks of weasels?
Obviously she likes cats and dislikes snakes but has she expressed an opinion on any other critter?
5 hours ago
Topic:
The Mayoral Election 1897

Jolanda Swan
Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1272
Until next Monday.
6 hours ago
Topic:
The Mayoral Election 1897

Severinus
Severinus
Posts: 11
Man this was a good election, got from notability 0 to 5 with just reputation so far.
Amazing really, does anyone know for how much longer the election will last?
7 hours ago
Topic:
Firebrand as Spouse?

Reginald Cooper
Reginald Cooper
Posts: 5
Quiet Deviless spouse option, please!! And/or, Last Honest Constable!
7 hours ago
Topic:
The Mayoral Election 1897

Tintinnabulum
Tintinnabulum
Posts: 31
Azothi wrote:
(Don't forget that you can change candidates for 10 Reputation and then change back for another 10; so you can both have your cake and eat it too)



If you do that, though, and you'd chosen a candidate-specific item from Mr Mirrors, do you lose that item?


Of course, if you do, presumably (hopefully) you can pick up the candidate-specific item for your new candidate, though maybe only that? (i.e. not get multiple job-specific ones)

ETA: Actually the option does say "You will not receive a new Election Item". I went ahead and changed candidates, and still kept the original chosen gift (Genuine Rubbery Lumps; I switched from Mrs Plenty to Shoshana).


I will say that there's no 'Perhaps Not' option on that page though, which seems like a problem.
edited by Tintinnabulum on 7/23/2019
edited by Tintinnabulum on 7/23/2019
7 hours ago
Topic:
Tribulations of a Translator

Siankan
Siankan
Posts: 802
Cpt. Eructus wrote:
"Unfinished Men may be fierce as lambs or meek as kittens"

Can you give us the context? I only vaguely remember the line.
8 hours ago
Topic:
The Mayoral Election 1897

Tsar Koschei
Tsar Koschei
Posts: 123
Anne Auclair wrote:
Someone doesn't know how to haggle.
An initial offer so low that it generates no interest at all means there's no point in haggling since the negotiation is a non-starter.
8 hours ago
Topic:
Tribulations of a Translator

Cpt. Eructus
Cpt. Eructus
Posts: 40
"Unfinished Men may be fierce as lambs or meek as kittens"

Is this ironic or are lambs in this universe really known to be fierce? If it's ironic, I don't get it because Unfinished men are really fierce, and in this case, it's the event in which one attacks your crew.
edited by Cpt. Eructus on 7/23/2019
9 hours ago
Topic:
Election 1897: Virginia

Jolanda Swan
Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1272
Diptych wrote:
I think if we elect an agent of every foreign power to municipal office, we get a set bonus.


What next? The French?
Well come to think of it, unless we take care of the Sixth city business, we are electing the French. To come sit on our heads. Permanently.




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